Lewis vs. Vitali II

when you are ready to start with your thesis on pre-lewis champions retiring too early, get on with it, its no good talking about cases outside the parameters, thats digging your ditch deeper still.

when in a ditch, dont keep digging mate.

 

Now Herol wants to get into it with McVey

I think you're a little confused.

 

when u are ready to start, do so.

 

You have the IQ of a glass of tepid water, you know that?

 

It's just amusing, the only time I ever see you post in on Vitali threads. Yes, that equals psycho hater.

Regarding the substance of your argument. At being a couple pounds over your normal weight, you don't need this mystical time to adapt. It's just a couple pounds that helps you in the clinch. And while the TV observers said it was indicative of lethargy, you never heard Lewis or Stewart say that. Stewart constantly talked about using his weight in the clinch. In a battle of giants, Lewis was getting oytgunned and picked apart at range by the longer and busier Vitali. That would likely continue no matter what condition he was in. In was in Lewis interest to keep the fight close up, and be heavier to maul him in the clinch. I can understand, though disagree with an argument that he would have been better off lighter. But for you and the mcveys of the world to pretend there is no debate over the matter, in the face of corner advice from Stewart to the contrary, is nothing short of remarkable.

 

Edit: actually, the reply was poorly constructed and long, and I skimmed too quickly and didn't see your point initially. Your post at the top of page 5 did overtly say Lewis would win without any ambiguity. And the rest of your screed went out of the way to demean an atg fighter, which I've never done. But honestly, you weren't as definitive overall in saying Lewis would win as I thought you were, so fair enough on that point.

Here's the thing. Vit and Lewis my two favorite hws. The fight will always be my favorite fight. I don't understand why people don't see that is the great unanswered question in hw history. Of all unrealized hw rematches, it could have gone either way, and we'll never know for sure.

 

Huh? No, I wasn't criticizing Lewis. Just noting that while going out as he did wasn't ideal, he made the determination that it was better to go out on a "bad" win than take the chance of going out on a loss. It was smart. He probably increased his legacy for that reason. Wlad is also smart to go out, now, for similar reasons, although obviously Wlad lost his fight

 

So according to you, Lewis came in out of shape to lean on Vitali in the clinch!! LOOOOL
You just seem to be a clown. This is emberassing.

 

If you'd checked my content recently you'd see - prior to this post - only 8 of 25 post on the first page are on thread about Vitali while one other referanced how annoyed I was with the way Vitali dicked around the rest of the division at the end of his career. Lewis/Vitali is a fight that interests me so yes, I'm going to comment on it now and then, but it does not make the majority of my posts.

I have never "pretended there is no debate over the matter".

My comment was only that if it was his plan to put on extra weights specifically to deal with Vitali then it must have been a last minute thing because he only had two weeks notice once Kirk Johnson pulled out, and that it clearly backfired when it came to his conditioning because practically everyone was agreed that he gassed early.

There can be some benefit to coming in heavier than usual, but there is also a drawback, especially so when it's a last-minute alteration to a fight plan and the fighter has not been conditioned to carry the extra weight for 12 rounds.

It might only have been 6lbs heavier than when he fought Tyson but Lewis averaged somewhere between 240lbs and 245lbs for most of his career, and the only time he'd come in heavier than the 249lbs against Tyson was in his first fight against Rahman which he didn't take seriously and didn't train for - he was 253lbs in that fight and in the rematch, which he was motivated win and win decisively, he came in at 246lbs.

Lewis's optimum weight was below 250lbs, he didn't carry the extra weight well and wasn't conditioned to do so. Perhaps with a full camp and ample time to prepare he could have been conditioned to carry the extra weight and not face any detriment for it, but if, as you claim, it was Lewis's plan to put on the extra weight specifically to deal with the challenge of fighting Vitali then two weeks notice is simply not enough time to properly prepare and condition him for a long and difficult fight.

 

I'd expect vintage Lewis in rematches, I think he'd comeback better prepared and sleep Vitali in the early rounds. Would be interesting to see if Lewis did this how it would've enhanced his legacy and effected Vitali's had the rematch happened, Lewis won by KO like I predicted then things carried on the same way after with Lewis retiring Vitali and his brother dominating the division.

 

No, your spelling, vocabulary, and lack of logical abilities are embarrassing. 5 pounds makes more sense as an indication of added bulk for clinch than being grossly out of shape. Don't take it from me, take it from Manny Stewart

 

This is a reasonable enough post. I disagree to an extent but honestly at this point it doesn't seem like we're debating too much. I will say Lewis had been at or around 250 for a while, and I personally don't think a lighter Lewis would have been helpful in this matchup, against the taller and longer Vitali. The corner seemed satisfied with his weight, never heard anything behind the scenes about him being out of shape, seemed more of an announcer judgment.

 

Lewis didn't accept a rematch because he got his ass whipped the first time around and didn't want another ass whipping.

 

still not answering my post ok?

 

asswhipped by tkoing the other guy?