Lewis was wrong: Klitschkos are TOO GOOD for the competition

time · Dec 20, 2009

Vitali is 38 now, there should be someone out there who can compete. One more injury and id say vitali will be gone for good. Haye did well against the giant and i liked the way he wobbled him with a glancing blow, that proves hes got enough power to trouble even the biggest. Bring on haye v the k brothers thats what i say. Plus chambers had a very good win last time out so maybe he can cause some problems to wlad. Chambers is a tidy boxer.

Quarteysjab · Dec 20, 2009

KJ was tough and deserved credit. Foreman would not have slipped anything through his guard. Lewis commentating on HBO didn't have any suggestions on what Vitali could have done to KO KJ other than throw some more hooks.

But the guy was so turtle minded and determined to go 12, it was impossible to stop him. Just like those decent skilled guys who decided to survive vs. Tyson, Tyson couldn't do nothing about it and had to go 12.

SAS2 · Dec 20, 2009

lewis is a chump for nothing fighting vitali again. that will always be the tarnish on his "legacy" the fear of facing vitali again.:yep

war4years · Dec 20, 2009

PFG said: ↑

Johnson was playing to survive though as time went on. You don't really see that in HW boxing. It's a lot different to play to win, than it is to play to survive. Competing in a fight, means exposing yourself anytime you throw a punch. Johnson didn't throw anything appart from his defensive jab. Couple that with a good chin and a good defense and you get a boxer who is unlikely to go down.

I don't actually blame Johnson. I think he wanted to tire Vitali and start banging in the later rounds. Problem was, after round 6-7, it became obvious that Vitali was nowhere near tired. Vitali has legendary stamina I would say. Wlad, Haye all look better conditioned, but Vitali can probably last four times as long as any of them.

The HW division isn't much weaker than in the 90s really, where the best boxer of the lot, Tyson, was shot before priming. Holyfield, to his credit, was a great boxer all round. But he wasn't a true HW. And he had a suspect health condition on top of it. Lewis emerged the best, mainly because Lewis faced no such disadvantages. He was big, healthy and he could box. He wasn't as techincally gifted as either Holyfield or Tyson or other boxers I could mention. But he fought at the right time and stopped fighting at the right time. I don't think he actually... avoided boxers. It's just that time and events (McCall shocker, Bowe chickening) have paved the way firmly in his favour.

Lewis has two defining wins in his career. One against Holyfield and the other against Vitali. Without those, he wouldn't be half the legend he is today. And while many refuse to admit, Vitali raised Lewis's standings quite a bit. And like Holyfield and Tyson, Lewis fought Vitali at the right time, when he was still... green. After the fight, knowing he was challenged greatly, knowing that in most parts of the game he was outboxed, he decided to retire. People go by his comments post fight, where he says he would have won anyway (he also said he'd have no problem giving Vit a rematch). But it's what Lewis wanted people to believe, when in truth, he was in deep oceans in that fight, that bad bad cut (it wasn't really a big punch that made it) was just from the Heavens for Lewis. But such matters are irrelevant, Lewis won, he didn't give a rematch (he, the undefeated "by the way of rematch"). And now he feels he can look... downwards.

Truth is, the HW devision has been 'poor' ever since Ali retired.
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Vit was 30 something years old and had 30 something fights, and you are saying he was green?

MRBILL · Dec 20, 2009

TommyV said: ↑

That is very doubtful. All four of those guys hit with more authority than Vitali does nowadays, and all four are have a greater killer-instinct in the ring and are far more aggressive these days than Vitali. I'd doubt that Johnson would be let off the ropes by the likes of Frazier and Marciano, and I doubt he could take too many left hooks or Suzie Q's either.
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Tommy V,

Dude, you are borderline nuts to insanity......... The "K" bros. stand tall and alone at heavyweight.... Vitali and Wlad both punch like a Mule kicks........ Christ, V.K.'s kayo % is the highest there is right now at the world class level...... WTF are you smoking???

Kevin "Safety Pin" Johnson is NOT a *****..... The dude is 6' 4" tall and 242 pretty freaking solids pounds.... K.J. has a big upper body..... The dude is elusive and savy, yet he lacks offensive power..... Still, he is skilled..... Bums and stiffs do NOT last 12 rds with a master like Vitali Klitschko......... Johnson is tuff..........

MR.BILLbbb

C.J. · Dec 20, 2009

Quarteysjab said: ↑

Vitali was in total control at all times and totally dominated Johnson. But he could not land many flush snapping punches. he did a few times but KJ's defense and head movement were excellent. Too excellent maybe as it was all just to survive. Survivall mode all the way. KJ had no idea or belief he could win, just try and survive without getting slaughtered.

Vitali was always trying to get him but could't. Johnson is one of thsoe guys that is very difficult to knockout. If he fights like that vs. prime Tyson, Foreman, Marciano, Frazier - he would survive the distance. KJ has long arms big shoulders and very good head movement and reflexes.

Bottom line is no one could pull the trigger vs. KJ. Very good skills for a guy who started boxing so late.

And still it was a very impressive win for Vitali, despite it not being a KO.

Vitali would still KO most of the other contenders. Valuev will be beaten to a pulp. Haye...Haye knows to keep on avoiding Vitali and he will do just that.

And Lennox Lewis was wrong when he siad there's no competition for the Klitschkos. The truth is the Klitschkos are TOO GOOD for the competition.
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When you look at the competition you dont have to be too good to be too good for them LOL

MRBILL · Dec 20, 2009

For **** Sakes............... If you are not "Ali or Holy" the boxing fans will eat you alive and claim you only fought bums and stiffs........... Jesus Christ........ WTF? The "K" bros. are doing damn well and are active fighters keeping the belts alive....... Why complain or knock these dudes???? This brotherhood is great for boxing........

MR.BILL

Quarteysjab · Dec 20, 2009

Exactly Bill, if you don't have frazier, foreman, norton or bowe as wins on your record, to the cynics it's as if you only fought and beat bums.

the thing is Kevin Johnson could probably beat Norton, Frazier with those fine skills and his size.

but the brainwashed will mindlessly mock that idea and assume Frazier and Norton would savagely KO Johnson in under two rounds.

Johnson would dwarf Frazier.

It's true, theKlitschkos in their form now, could be the greatest ever. They are amazing and underappreciated fighting machines.

PFG · Dec 20, 2009

Vit was 30 something years old and had 30 something fights, and you are saying he was green?
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It is irrelevant of age or of the number of fights. Especially if those poze no real challenge. Which was the problem in this fight. Vitali wasn't really challenged until then.
I don't think he respected Lewis's power enough, going into that fight.

IMO, Vitali, as a boxer, has peaked late in his career. You wouldn't see a 2009 version of Vitali getting hit flush by Sanders as the 2005 did. Vit's boxing is probably the best it has ever been, but reaching 40, his physical condition will deteriorite. Still, provided no serious injuries, he'll go on for one or two years.

There is talent in the division, Eddie Chambers, Johnson, Arreola, Haye, K bros, Povetkin. Pair any of those against each other and you get an exciting fight. (with few exceptions of course) It's just a matter of accepting that... ok, maybe the level isn't all 70's and maybe the K's are true champions given that they haven't really been challenged in recent times. But there is potential for excitement.

Personally, I can't wait for Wlad vs Eddie Chambers.

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