which set of wins are better? Lewis : Vitali, Holyfield 2, Tua, Mercer, Ruddock, Bruno, Rahman 2 Usyk: Joshua 1, Fury 1, Joshua 2, Fury 2, Dubois 2, Dubois 1, Chisora Edit: replaced Golota with Bruno
Vitali smokes Joshua, Holyfield vs Fury a 50/50, Joshua outpoints Tua, Mercer gives Fury a hard fight, Ruddock knocks Dubois out, Golota vs Dubois a 50/50 and Rahman beats Chisora. So I think Lewis has a slightly beter Resume
Right now, Lewis, but the Fury, Joshua and Dubois wins have time to grow, and Gassiev might just replace Chisora.
Gassiev is about to become WBA heavwyweight champ when Usyk retires. I am not re-hashing all this again, but history will record that as a better win than Andrew Golota.
Doesn't matter. Does DeJesus' win over Duran count as a middleweight win because Duran won the middleweight title a lifetime and 30 odd pounds later? Usyk beat him in 2018 when he had 14 fights under his belt. You can't dish out imaginary heavyweight wins 8 years later. Does Roy Jones whooping of James Toney at 160 count as a heavyweight win? Of course it doesn't.
The kickboxer Lewis beat (Vitali) is better than the one Usyk is fighting, at least comparing their credentials as heavyweight boxers.
History isn't stupid, or shockingly biased. He's done enough genuine work at heavyweight without needing false narratives. His cruiserweight achievements will factor into his P4P ranking/greatness and build it up accordingly. Just like it has with every other boxer in history, and their divisional efforts. Trying to put Gassiev on his heavyweight ledger because you hope Gassiev might become a strap holder 7 odd years, 30+ odd pounds, one division up and a dozen or so fights later is the height of absurdity. History will not grant him a heavyweight win over Gassiev unless they meet in the future. It's beyond absurd. dmt specifically talks about heavyweight wins to avoid this rubbish. I don't see any cruiserweight wins in his list.
Lewis IMO. Vitali & Holyfield rank higher than Fury & Joshua in the all time Heavyweight rankings. So Lewis has the better top 2 Heavyweight wins. Dubois is hard to rank because he had a solid string of wins but he did very badly against Usyk the 2nd time. And if Dubois wins or loses to Wardley next then his stock could dramatically rise or drop again. So I think we need to wait a bit until we evaluate Dubois. Chisora is below everyone on this list clearly in my view. But overall its Lewis for me.