Liam Williams: The Machine-The Light Middleweight Human Grist Mill Of Clydach Vale.

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  1. lepinthehood

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    This is a good fight, i believe williams is the better boxer. and can decision smith
     
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    Experts picks

    Billy Joe Saunders (Unbeaten WBO Middleweight Champion): This is a real 50-50 fight. Liam Smith knows his distance and works inside very well. He’s the rightful favourite going in. He’s operated at a higher level and has more fights, more experience. But if ‘Beefy’ underestimates Liam Williams in any way, he’s likely to come unstuck. That Welsh boy is a very dangerous fighter, on a good run, brimming with confidence. He’s got an excellent coach in Gary Lockett and they’re sure to come up with a top game plan. Seriously, if you gave me a pound to bet, I’d put 50p on both of them!

    Jimmy Kilrain Kelly (Former World Super-Welterweight Challenger): Close one. When I challenged Liam Smith for his world title, what threw me was his excellent timing and distance. He looks quite slow on tape but he’s much quicker and cleverer than he seems. That said, I expected he’d hit harder. He’s not a big puncher.

    I lean to Williams. It’s just a gut feeling I have and I always go with my gut. At the press conference, the Welsh kid appeared huge when they were stood together. He’s really wide across the chest and back. He comes across as tough and relentless – he attacks the body well – but he has decent skills, too. He’s also carrying the momentum.

    As ‘Beefy’ went nine rounds with ‘Canelo’, pushing him back at times, I doubt Williams stops him. Williams on points.

    Ensley Bingham (Former World Super-Welterweight Challenger): This is going to be an excellent fight. I like Liam Williams’ aggressive style and I’m sure he’ll want to make his mark.

    Smith is a quality operator; good all-round ability, a good punch picker with a tight defence and spiteful body shots. I think the fight will come down to what the defeat to ‘Canelo’ took out of Smith. A knockout defeat can leave an adverse mark.

    Williams is a good guy and his time will come but, right now, he needs more seasoning. I expect Smith’s greater experience will see him home on points.

    Josh Warrington (Unbeaten World Featherweight Contender): It’s gonna be a barnstormer, edge of the seat stuff. These two could fight in a phone box.

    I’ve not seen a massive amount of Liam Williams but I’ve been very impressed. He’s entertaining, throws a lot of punches and doesn’t mind getting his hands dirty. He’ll take a couple to land his own hard shots.

    I have to be on ‘Beefy’ (Smith). He’s got the greater experience and is more proven in tougher fights. He gave it a very good go against ‘Canelo’. He can do a lot of stuff; box or scrap.

    I imagine that the second half of the fight will determine who wins and I expect it to be very close. I see Smith winning but I’m not sure how.

    Martin Bowers (Trainer): It’s just my opinion, but I believe Smith had the easier route to the British title and the one time he had an acid test, he took a bit of a hiding, albeit to an outstanding fighter.

    Smith performed with great credit against Alvarez, no disgrace, but might have done better if he’d had stiffer tests on the way through. He was under matched.

    So my money is on Liam Williams. He’s very solid and consistent in everything he does. He’s prepared to sit in the pocket and have a go. I’ve a hunch that Smith might be too brave for his own good, sit with him and come unstuck. I think the Welsh kid stops him.

    Peter Fury (Trainer): Oh, this is a hard fight. It’s going to be a humdinger, this. I’ll definitely be tuning in, live. There’s a lot of ‘needle’ brewing already so, either way, I see it ending on a stoppage.

    I edge ever so slightly towards Smith because, having been in with the likes of ‘Canelo’, he brings the greater experience. He’s a very rugged, tough kid.

    You could certainly say the same about Liam Williams, who’s calm in battle, has a good boxing brain and I believe will get to world level himself eventually. But he’s an unknown quantity under pressure and that’s why I sway to Smith.

    Jack Catterall (Undefeated Super-Lightweight Prospect): Both have the power to stop the other so I see it ending early either way.
    Liam Smith might be coming off a knockout loss to ‘Canelo’ but he’s still fought at a higher level and brings all that experience from training in the US gyms. He’s a smart fighter who knows what it takes. Though he’s aggressive, he thinks about what he does.
    I’ve not seen too much of Liam Williams but we know he can lose his head. Smith keeps patient when things aren’t going his way and that might be decisive.

    Ryan Rhodes (Former World Super-Welter Challenger): Immediately it was made I thought: ‘Great fight’! Liam Williams is on a massive high at the moment. I think he’s gonna develop into a top fighter. He’s aggressive but also has a good brain and knows when to attack.

    Against that, you’ve got Liam Smith coming off a knockout defeat to ‘Canelo’ and we don’t know how he’ll respond. At his best, Smith’s a great fighter; talented, good fitness, smart. He’s not the biggest puncher but he works the body especially well.

    Will experience play a factor here? I think it will. Brendan Ingle always said: ‘You can’t buy experience’. Smith’s a former world champion. He’s fought at the higher level on the bigger shows. In the close, hard rounds, he’ll know when to work, when to hold back. It’ll go the distance, 100%, and I think Smith will edge it. Can’t wait!

    Gary Corcoran (Ex British Super-Welterweight Challenger): I’m split down the middle here because I’m not keen on either of them!

    I actually think Liam Williams is gonna beat him. Smith is good at blocking but sits back too much and Williams lands good straight one-twos through the guard. That’s what he does best. It depends if Williams can control himself. He’s a hot headed fella!

    Williams is the bigger puncher but I doubt he stops Smith unless the ref jumps in. Kell Brook hit me ten times harder than Williams did. I’m a natural welter – I’m dropping back down – and Williams was far heavier in the ring on the night we fought. It was too much of an advantage to concede.

    Terry Flanagan (Unbeaten WBO Lightweight Champion): It’s gonna be a great fight to get ‘em warmed up for my main event! Liam Smith is a slight favourite going into the fight. His shot selection is probably the best of any boxer in Britain. He’s very good at everything he does. ‘Canelo’ just happened to be another level above him. Alvarez is pound-for-pound, ain’t he?

    Williams is tough, strong and can bang you out with either hand but if you’re forcing me to put a pound on it, I’ll go with Smith on points.

    Liam Walsh (Unbeaten Mandatory IBF Super-Featherweight Contender): This is a cracking fight that can’t fail to deliver. Neither come to dance around and I just wish the other champions would take a leaf out of their book and give the fans the fights they crave. Hopefully, they’ll get awards for it.

    I’ve been so impressed with Liam Williams since I saw him smash up Ronnie Heffron in Manchester. He can box beautifully but he can also chuck the jacket off if he needs to. He’s huge at the weight and punches very hard.

    Liam Smith has an advantage in big fight experience. I studied him up close at Gallagher’s gym, sparring his brothers and he’s brilliant at all the subtle stuff that the normal fan might miss; the little nudges off balance, stabs to the body, before attacking you. His punch selection and the manner he switches balance are brilliant. No disgrace losing to ‘Canelo’ in his back yard, either.

    Both are front foot heavy, like to trade in the pocket and I just hope the winner gets a good reward. I slightly favour Liam Smith on points. At this stage, he probably has the better boxing IQ.

    Anthony Farnell (Trainer): This is gonna be a brutal shootout, definitely a stoppage.

    When the fight was made, I’d probably have said Williams because he’s so fresh and hungry whereas Smith is coming off the stoppage loss to Alvarez. But I watched ‘Beefy’ sparring (12-0 Irish super-middleweight)Jason Quigley on Instagram and he looked sensational. His feet were fast and his hands were super sharp.

    It doesn’t appear that the defeat to ‘Canelo’ took anything out of him. He’ll have learnt loads walking out to 50,000 in Texas. He did really well against one of the very best pound-for-pound. He weren’t shown up.

    And he’s a tough, hard kid, mentally and physically. When he defended his British against my Mark Thompson, I deliberately tried to rattle him at the pressers and weigh-in but ‘Beefy’ was having none of it, brushed it off.

    They’re a real match for each other, both very aggressive but, while Williams is extremely strong and tenacious, Smith is cuter. Williams has never been in a fight like this before. Experience wins this for Smith.

    FINAL SCORE: SMITH 8 WILLIAMS 3, (One Undecided).
     
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  3. Grooveongreg

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    That's fair enough. On paper I can't split them. But I really hope Williams does the business on him he's a great prospect for us Taffs to get behind.

    Apart from Kell Brook not that many exciting fighters from Britain. Yeah we have lots of champions but that's just the strength of British boxing.

    I wanna see a froch, calzaghe, Lewis, Hatton,etc to get behind that's not going to be Liam smith
     
  4. ashishwarrior

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    War Williams
    Got great natural ability
     
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  5. Serge

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    Me too. Tough fight for both but I really hope Williams paddles Smith's ass and sends him back to Liverpool with his tail between his legs.
     
  6. lepinthehood

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    What do you think of williams incessant blinking?
     
  7. Serge

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    I like it a lot. It's one of the things that drew me towards him
     
  8. lepinthehood

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    by the way williams does look more solid up top despite being on weight. big shoulders, arms.
     
  9. lepinthehood

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    yeh its quite mesmerising, cant keep my eyes off his blinkers.
     
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    lol I am being totally serious when I say that it is one of the things, along with his fighting style and personality, that drew me towards him. He's probably been teased something rotten about that all his life and I know that lowlifes on social media still do make fun of him because of it.
     
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    He sounds like a genuinely nice bloke, even if he is welsh. The smiths think they have the domestic scene wrapped up for some reason lol, so they come across arrogant. Although liam smith seems okay, hes taking this fight too lightly and it will blow up on his face. As for the 'tic' thank god its been there since childhood and not a new thing, it does soften your heart to the blokes cause. I hope he wins, and beats a few of the yank light middle weights who dont fight each other.
     
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  12. Kush

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    Great comeback win for LS. Williams was gassing and it only would've got worse for him. Williams has a bright future though
     
  13. Grooveongreg

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    What by losing every roundand winning by headbutt

    I had Smith win one Rd. Something dodgy about this

    Smith showed he is a tough man though fair play he took a great beating
     
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    lol at the first sentence.

    Yes he's a really classy guy.
     
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    In the build-up to this weekend’s riveting ‘No Ifs, No Buts’ rematch between the feuding Liams, pollster Glynn Evans canvassed 15 boxers, past and present, on whether we can expect repeat or revenge.

    LEE SELBY (IBF FEATHERWEIGHT CHAMPION) - WILLIAMS POINTS

    In the rematch, I'm going to have to back my fellow countryman, Liam Williams, to win by points.

    JIMMY KILRAIN KELLY (WBO CHALLENGER) - SMITH POINTS


    Williams is a top lad and should’ve won the first fight. I’m surprised the ref didn’t see the head clash and call in the judges’ cards (Williams was ahead by a point on all three). But I favour Smith again in a similar fight to last time.

    I expect Williams will start quick and get a good lead but Smith will eventually grind him down. This time, I expect Williams will try to box more and engage less. Smith by close decision, something like 115-113. It could even be a split.

    ENSLEY BINGHAM (WBO CHALLENGER) - WILLIAMS POINTS


    I go with Williams to edge it on points in another exceptional and exciting fight. He was winning first time easily enough until the head clash.

    This time Smith must get involved earlier and apply pressure to try to force Williams to make mistakes. But I believe Williams will cope with that.

    GARY CORCORAN (BRITISH TITLE CHALLENGER) - SMITH


    It’s a 50-50 fight that’ll go to whoever gets it right on the night. I slightly favour Smith. Last time Williams was beating Smith up and I had him three or four rounds ahead after nine, far wider than the judges. But then he ‘gassed out’.

    Let’s be honest, Williams had been using his head all night, Smith stuck his head in once, split open the eye and Williams ‘pussied out’. If Williams enters fresher, he has the brain and ability to beat Smith but he’s a very big super-welter who has to lose a lot of weight. That’s why he ‘gasses out’.

    KID GALAHAD (FEATHERWEIGHT CONTENDER) - WILLIAMS STOPPAGE


    My prediction is Liam Williams will beat Liam Smith to the jab, and then probably stop him late on a cut.

    BRADLEY PRYCE (EX COMMONWEALTH CHAMPION) - SMITH STOPPAGE


    I think Smith wins again in another good fight. Liam Williams wasn’t looking that good when the first fight ended. He seemed very tired and I think Smith was starting to dominate, regardless of the cut.

    I believe we’ll see a very similar fight to last time with Smith taking over late and forcing a stoppage.

    BILLY JOE SAUNDERS (WBO WORLD MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPION) - UNDECIDED


    I think it's going to be very cagey for the first six rounds. I'm not sitting on the fence because I know both and I get on with both, but I genuinely think it's a 50/50 fight.

    Smith's going to come faster and sharper this time from the get go, but that's only going to make Williams more aware and focused. It's a really good fight and I'm looking forward to it. It's a close one!

    RYAN RHODES (WBC CHALLENGER) - WILLIAMS POINTS


    Great fight. I favour Liam Williams on points. He brought a great game plan last time which left Liam Smith struggling to get his shots off and land anything. The fight changed once Williams got cut and was then pulled out pretty much straight away. Just before he got cut, Williams caught Smith with the head. I’m not sure if the subsequent ‘clash’ was an accident or retaliation.

    Provided cuts don’t spoil it this time, I go with the younger, fresher kid. I expect Williams will be the busier, sharper, more accurate.

    LUCIEN REID (SUPER-BANTAMWEIGHT PROSPECT) - WILLIAMS STOPPAGE


    I fancy Williams inside the distance. I've seen him train, I've seen him spar - he's looking beasty! He's in unbelievable shape.

    I think he was winning the first fight until the headbutt, so Williams for me.

    ANTHONY ‘ARNIE’ FARNELL (EX WBO INTER-CONTINENTAL CHAMPION) - SMITH STOPPAGE


    I think Smith wins another great fight. He started way too slow last time and gave Williams a massive lead but he’s smart enough to change that. Now he knows how good Williams is, he’ll show him more respect.

    Ability wise, they’re on a similar level. Williams knows he can out box Smith. Smith probably has more guts and can usually find a way to win when things are not going well. If Smith can apply his pressure earlier, he might even stop Williams late.

    JAMIE MOORE (EX BRITISH AND COMMONWEALTH CHAMPION) - SMITH


    A lot will depend on Liam Williams’ mental state. He had control of the first fight but I was shocked by how unsettled he became by the cut. If he hasn’t overcome that, it might bite him on the arse.

    Going in, it seemed as if Liam Smith had taken his eye off the ball. This time, he’ll be better prepared and more confident.

    Liam Williams’ style has more strings. He can do a little bit of everything and is more complete. Conversely, Liam Smith is a good pressure fighter and body puncher. He probably holds the edge up close, in the pocket.

    If I had to put money on it, I’d chose Smith but with little conviction. He’s so strong mentally, perhaps he can drag Williams into his fight.

    RICHIE WOODHALL (1988 OLYMPIC MEDALLIST) - SMITH POINTS


    I favour Smith ever so slightly in what should be another great fight. Williams had his chance last time and if he was going to do it, I think it was back then.

    Smith has the greater experience, he’ll analyse what went wrong last time and we’ll see a better Liam Smith as a consequence. Last time, I don’t think he expected Williams to be that quick.

    I expect Williams will be in even better condition this time but I think Smith beats him on points.

    RICHIE WILLIAMS (EX COMMONWEALTH AND IBO CHAMPION) - WILLIAMS POINTS


    Fights with ‘needle’ always tend to be good and I think Williams is gonna gain his revenge in an attritional war.

    Fighting is an emotional thing and you have to control that. Williams strikes me as a compact all-rounder with a good boxing brain. Gary Lockett his coach knows boxing.

    Williams has something to prove and he’s also the fresher. If they have to dig down - as I sense they will - that’ll be crucial. I think he’ll have more appetite down the stretch and will win a close points decision.

    ROBIN REID (1992 OLYMPIC MEDALLIST) - WILLIAMS POINTS


    Going off the last one, I see Williams winning if he sticks to the same tactics. He did everything right, bar getting cut.

    Clearly there’s ‘beef’ between them. It was a rough and tumble fight and I think Smith just got his own back, after copping a few (butts) earlier. Us fighters are that focussed on winning, we’ve all resorted to a few ‘dirty’ tricks. Smith just made sure Williams ‘manoeuvred’ into his head!

    This time, Williams will be wary of being cut and will stay out of trouble. I see him using his faster hands to win on points.

    WAYNE ALEXANDER (EX BRITISH AND EUROPEAN CHAMPION) - SMITH POINTS


    The first one was very close. I thought Smith was just getting into it before Williams got cut.

    This time, I doubt Smith takes him so lightly. Having been in with ‘Canelo’, he knew he had nothing to fear facing Williams. Now he’ll see him as a threat.

    I hope cuts aren’t an issue this time. I see Smith nicking a close 12 round decision but I wouldn’t bet on it.

    FINAL SCORE: WILLIAMS 7, SMITH 7, UNDECIDED 1

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