Liam Williams vs. Christopher Livingstone Eubank Jr.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IntentionalButt, Aug 4, 2020.

The Machine or Next Best?

Poll closed Jan 1, 2021.
  1. Williams on points

    33.3%
  2. Williams by stoppage

    22.2%
  3. Draw

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Eubank on points

    27.8%
  5. Eubank by stoppage

    16.7%
  1. Dangerwood84

    Dangerwood84 Active Member Full Member

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    He should be dominating and stopping that version of Pascal though. Yeah Jack is a frustrating type.
     
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  2. Brixton Bomber

    Brixton Bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nah, nowhere near prime.

    James, in his prime, would have walloped Truax silly.
     
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  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Abraham was far superior to Strum imo. He was ranked higher then him every year they were MW title holders.

    Plus he held top spot in SMW when it became a wasteland.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt ESB's own bitchy old Capote-cum-Runyon Full Member

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    Yet in spite of all that he was a very one-dimensional fighter and historically very weak belt holder in h2h match-ups.


    ...and Sturm would've UD'ed him.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    He was one dimensional, but it was a good dimension imo.

    He'd have knocked Sturm into retirement had Felix ever taken the fight.

    Strum had an excellent jab, but he didn't have much else. You can nullify an excellent jab by jabbing with the jabber and Abraham was certainly good enough to do that. Combined with his iron jaw and crushing power, he definitely would have stopped Felix.

    The MW is traditionally a strong division, but you have remember the lies of Quincy Taylor and Doug DeWitt have held belts there. AA is no MW great, but he's not as bad as some titlists and certainly superior to Sturm, imo.
     
  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt ESB's own bitchy old Capote-cum-Runyon Full Member

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    We're going to have to agree to disagree. Sturm deserving the nod against Oscar (who isn't even a real middleweight) trumps Abe's whole reign IMO. Oscar would probably take a wide decision over Arthur, with no controversy.

    It would have been high guard vs. high guard, two stiff and robotic jab-forward Euro types, except that Catic would be playing chess to Abraham's checkers. His jab was significantly better than was the Armenian's...while he is savvy enough to not eat any of the clean right hands that would be Abe's only prayer for a miracle from-behind one-shotter.

    I didn't say the absolute weakest ever...but weak indeed. A couple of dregs aside, there's a long and proud tradition of titlists at 160.
     
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  7. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Active Member Full Member

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    I would love to see Williams destroy Eubank, but unfortunately I'm not convinced he does. If Eubank can take Groves' power, I think he can take Williams' too. And Williams did fade in the first Smith fight, lacked will to win in the second. So that's not a good recipe against a grinder who is very tough to put away. Might be a bad matchup. Eubank is bigger too.
     
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  8. lufcrazy

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    In terms of who achieved more as a MW, if we're scraping the bottom of this barrel, I wouldn't argue too vociferously.

    But I do feel strongly enough to reiterate that no way would Sturm beat AA.
     
  9. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Williams has way too much technical skill for Eubanks but he could potentially capitulate if the going gets tough. Eubanks would have to take a leathering before his pressure starts to take effect... It would probably be too late like it was against Billy and Groves.
     
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  10. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Plus Sturm ducked him
     
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  11. jquest

    jquest Active Member Full Member

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    I would say prime Degale was only ever seen for a few rounds in a few fights. Great talent but would always kind of switch off in some of his biggest fights or do the opposite of what he was good at. He was slugging it out with Badou Jack making it a harder fight than he needed to
     
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  12. jquest

    jquest Active Member Full Member

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    Even 1 round in CEJ was taking another lesson. The Korobov injury was a gift for him that night.
     
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  13. Patter983

    Patter983 Active Member Full Member

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    Some people saying Eubank will deal with a come forward fighter like Williams, Williams has the ability to look like pernel whittaker against the skills of eubank! He will fight off the back foot boxing his head off early on and put the pressure on more later in the fight !
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt ESB's own bitchy old Capote-cum-Runyon Full Member

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  15. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Well-Known Member Full Member

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    who didn't sturm duck?
    i mean seriously.