Librado Andrade vs Arthur Abraham

Just face the fact that you're a Pavlik hater and you're completely unobjective when it comes to him.

 

I am totally objective, I watch fighters for what they are, not what I want to see, especially if I have no predetermined liking for them. Which would include Andrade, whom I respect greatly, but am not a big fan because he doesn't stylistically suit my tastes and Pavlik, who's the same level as Andrade by at a styles disadvantage.

You all want to make out like Pavlik is something special, he isn't. Neither is Andrade, who's just very good and effective and can beat other 'very good' fighters that aren't 'elite' depending on styles, he can also trouble some top fighters depending on circumstances.

 

Yeah, but didn't you say that Abraham was a better boxer than Pavlik?

You damn well know that Abraham is a protypical, weightlifting, upperbody movement, no handspeed having, high guard, with a great chin, slugger.

If that's not unobjective, than I don't know what is.

And the thing is, AA is the complete and total opposite from the guys that you usually praise which are technically sound boxers.

Abraham would get picked apart by Calzaghe, would be made to look stupid against Hopkins, and would have nothing but a puncher's chance against Taylor.

The only reason that he may beat Pavlik is if Pavlik goes straight at him and gives him an opportunity to get inside and land one of his wild haymakers.

If Pavlik chooses to box, stiff ol Abraham only has a puncher's chance.

So come on, let's at least try to be a little objective.

 

No, Abraham's a good fighter, you are the one being biased here. Abraham is a limited fighter, but Pavlik is also and Abraham has a very good style against Pavlik, thus why I pick him over Pavlik.

I wouldn't favour Abraham over any of the top fighter at 168, except Andrade maybe, due to Andrade being open to those concussive bombs, but that's a big if also.

Pavlik's chin is also crap, Abraham's is iron.

I'm not even a fan. I watch boxers I'm not a fan of to watch fights. Pavlik is truly the opposite of what I like though, at least Abraham has some PRECISION in his counter shots, Pavlik is so ugly to watch, just like Andrade.

No ****, you know how much I hate Taylor, I'd pick Taylor by a wide UD over Abraham because he absolutely has the style advantage over Abraham, who doesn't do well against boxers.

1 dimensional sloppy Pavlik though? Going to get sparked out.

That's all he can do, he's horrible backing up and has no top boxing skill, he's a slow, technical pressure fighter with a bad defence. Abraham will get him early.

Pavlik's not a good boxer, give it up.

I'm very objective, I'd pick any top boxer with a good chin to be favoured over Abraham stylistically, not Pavlik, sorry. I'd even tip Bute over Abraham.

 

So, you're saying that Pavlik is incapable of outboxing the very limited Abraham, yet he outboxed Taylor in the second fight who you would say would win a wide decision over Abraham.

I don't get it.

or I do.

You're a Pavlik hater. It's okay.

 

What the ****?

Outboxed Taylor? Taylor outboxed HIM, but got outworked and stunned in the end and lost a razor close decision. Pavlik did nothing but pressure and keep high workrate, looking terrible at times. Outboxed Taylor.atsch

 

I got you worked up now.

I got you outta your element.

 

Sure Cappy.

 

I always find this to be a classic. Pavlik did something different in Taylor II they tell me, he 'outboxed' the boxer, supposedly. This is supposed to be a sign of his adaptability, despite him getting tagged frequently and generally outboxed especially early :nut

I saw the same sloppy **** from him I always do

 

Pavlik's chin is no way crap. He took hard shots form Zertuche, Miranda and taylor in the 2nd fight without going down. Puhleease get your facts right. Pavlik has the workrate to beat Abraham on pts or he may force a stoppage late on through relentless pressure. There is the possibility of a concussive KO being scored by Abraham. But I lean towards Pavlik

 

I agree with this, Dawson is too talented(even if he still does make youthful mistakes), and Johnson is too experienced.

I am not sure if I want to count Mundine out just yet. I don't blame him at all for not trying to take on Kessler once again - just yet.

edit: Forgot to add, that Andrades' defence has improved, even if it's nowhere near AAs turtle shell.

 

Abraham is so much smaller but chances are he would KO Andrade.

Mack hurt Andrade badly and he has neither the power nor the precision of AA.

Also, this fight is neither feasible nor being planned in the near future, why is it being discussed? These guys are not in the same league.

 

The chance is always there, however slim. Andrade didn't see Macks punch, and that could happen again - however, he got back up right away - and comfortably won the match.

 

That he did, due to Mack gassing out. I heard it was Mack's last fight at the weight, he has since moved up due to weight problems? Don't know if I'm thinking of the right guy here.