Librado Andrade was robbed; watch the video to convince yourselves!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Decebal, Oct 25, 2008.


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  1. RealIzm

    RealIzm Boxing Junkie banned

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    :lol: :yep
     
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  2. rreed23

    rreed23 aka Gordon Gekko Full Member

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    Librado KO , thanks for the clip
     
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  3. MexicanJew

    MexicanJew Jajajajajaja Full Member

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    I just counted it with a stopwatch. 21 seconds from when Bute got knocked down to when the referee finished the count.

    REMATCH
     
    MexicanJew, Oct 25, 2008
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  4. Alo2006

    Alo2006 R.I.P Sean Taylor Full Member

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    Wow, I picked Andrade to win. From that clip, he should have one. :bart
     
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  5. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    :good i concur. maybe after this madness the boxing organizations can all agree on a clear black and white rule where fighters have to have their backs against the corner or something because this was clearly a robbery and shouldn't happen again. nevertheless, a rematch is inevitable and one of those cases where the winner's reputation got hurt.
     
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  6. In_FlaMeS

    In_FlaMeS K-BKois Full Member

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    Nice tu parles français !!!
    Ton explication me semble bonne mais moi être l'arbitre j'aurais arrêté le combat comme Chavez-Taylor... il restait 2 secondes avant la fin de Chavez-Taylor... Il restait 2 secondes quand Bute a chuté :deal

    De plus, c'est pas moi qui fait les règlements mais je trouve ca con que le combat est pas arrêté même si il n'y a plus de temps car le gars était OUT... pu capable de continuer. De plus, la IBF n'a pas le réglement de "Saved by the bell" pour le championnat. Dans ce cas, "Saved by the bell" veut fort probablement dire battre le compte... mais le compte a été beaucoup plus élevé qu'un simple 1 à 10. Ok Andrade était pas dans son coin mais wtf man..... j'ai jamais vu ca.... en plus l'arbitre a compté "6" deux fois :patsch

    Moi je change pas d'avis sur le fait que Bute n'était plus en mesure de se défendre lors de la dernière minute... et SURTOUT dans les 30 dernières secondes alors le fight aurait due être stoppé quand il s'est retrouvé sur le cul... sans décompte même !!! Bute sur le cul à 2:58 du 12 ième et l'arbitre WAVE le fight. C'est comme sa que ca aurait du finir.

    J'aime ton "wavera le combat" moi et mon frère on l'utilise ce verbe hahha :D

    J'vais sûrement me faire chier dessus à cause de mon post en français... mais c'était trop tentant!
     
    In_FlaMeS, Oct 25, 2008
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  7. Boxing Gloves

    Boxing Gloves Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Theres no doubt to me that Bute is the better fighter, but Andrade was robbed by the ref there.
     
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  8. lobitopp

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  9. standing 8

    standing 8 Active Member Full Member

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    Agreed, there were several points where the ref could have stopped the fight. Bute was falling all over the ring, the ref clearly wanted him to finish the fight.
     
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  10. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    that video shows Bute got up within 10 seconds pretty clearly. Question is how much time was left when Bute hit the canvas? That video doesn't show it

    If there's less than 10 seconds left in the fight, and Bute gets knocked down and gets up, thenimo there is not robbery. If he is on his feet and the final bell rings, then he has earned the right to go to the scorecards.

    The question is how much time was on the clock when Bute fell to the ground.

    Either way you look at it, Bute showed alot of heart, and so did Librado.
     
    PH|LLA, Oct 25, 2008
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  11. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    This video does, though:

    http://fr.justin.tv/clip/f2fc320a168

    The answer is there were 2 seconds at most left of the round when Bute hit the canvas.
     
    Decebal, Oct 26, 2008
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  12. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Everything you wrote here is wrong, according to the rules.

    According to the rules, the referee should not have determined whether Bute was fit to continue or not because the fight was over - finished - finito!

    Bute went down with two seconds left of the round. He beat the count i.e. he was up on his feet unsupported by the ropes before the count of 8 (he was in fact up on his feet within 6 seconds of the knockdown).

    The timekeeper should have ringed the bell as soon as Bute was on his feet unsupported, because that would have been four seconds after the end of the alocated three minutes. He didn't. His mistake could theoretically have cost Bute the win.

    Everything that the referee did from that point on is immaterial, because according to the rules, Bute had beaten the count and the fight was over, whether the referee or the timekeeper or Andrade or Bute realised it or not.

    Please read the rules before mentioning them. Please read the posts of other posters quoting the rules before contradicting them. Please make an effort to understand simple arguments based on facts, before making up your own facts to contradict others' arguments.
     
    Decebal, Oct 26, 2008
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  13. pecks

    pecks ***** Full Member

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    It was terrible refereeing. I haven't seen footage of where Andrade was during the KD, but have been informed that he was like a step out of his corner which is still ok.
    The referee didn't even make Bute walk towards him after he made it to his feet.
    You couldn't even get away with that in a Rocky film.

    They say you have to knock someone out to score a draw in Germany, this makes Germany look like fair play.
    Hopefully it stays as an isolated incident.
     
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  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    The referee only had to determine to his satisfaction that Bute was ready to continue. There isn't a rule that says you have to prove you are ready by taking a step forward. The referee asked him whether he wanted to continue and Bute answered the usual way: by raising his gloves and putting them together.

    Of course, the fight was over by that point anyway, but the referee didn't know it because the timekeeper didn't follow the rules. According to the rules, since Bute beat the clock (was up on his feet unaided by haging on to the ropes) and had done so after the allocated three minutes, the timekeeper should have hit the bell as soon as Bute beat the clock and that would have been that; it would have gone straight to the scorecards. The timekeeper's mistake was the biggest problem, not the way the referee acted before or after the knockdown.
     
    Decebal, Oct 26, 2008
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