Light - Heavyweight History Hd 2 Hd debate

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by sugarsean, Apr 22, 2010.


  1. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ok guys me and Teeto have decided to do a debate on Light - Heavy and Hd 2 Hd match up's, this is strictly Hd 2 Hd. What we are gonna to do is start with Ezzard Charle's Vs Michael Spinks, now before we start this is not gonna go like " well Charle is the greatest light heavy he wins end of " you have say how the fighter will win, what he needs to do, etc etc,

    We won't move on to the next until Me or Teeto come to a solid conclusion ( either an agreement of agree to disagree) I want good detailed discussion's. when we do that the winner of the fight will move on to be later discussed and with a diiferent fighter until we decide who us the best Hd 2 Hd fighter of all time at Light - Heavy.


    all are welcome :good

    Ok

    Ezzard Charles Vs Michael Spinks

    Teeto you can start us of
     
  2. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hey Teeto

    what do you think are the advantages each fighter brings to the fight
     
  3. teeto

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    Haha, ok then.

    Well i've been a watching a bit of both recently. Both like to box in centre ring, employ some movement but not excessively in a lateral motion at all. Charles is the more fortchcoming and active boxer throughout imo, whereas Spinks' boxing style is a of a more imposing fashion. He likes to jab and step forward slightly, using some physical strength which can drain his mans energy as the bout progresses. Charles i think can score with his jabbing and circling which is always in the interest of setting up heavy bomb blasts. When Spinks advances or even jabs, he can be hit with combos, simply because that;s what Charles does to you. It;s hard to outbox him. What i do believe in though is that Charles can be hurt, and Spinks carries devastating power in his right hand. I reckon Spinks is one 175 man who has a real chance of stopping Charles, because of Spinks' unorthodox approach. Charles' circling to the left must also be noted, surely Spinks must be looking for the right bomb with that going on.

    I reckon this bout heats up. I'm edging towards Charles if that happens, regardless of the power of Spinks, because Charles was tough and always sprung shots that would do the scoring, always.

    I'm not going with that yet though.
     
  4. teeto

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    Sorry, i just saw this.

    Natural advantages- there's not much in it. Both can punch, Charles more due to sharp hooking, Spinks more due to having a right bomb that just sends you into oblivion before you see it. Both have decent speed. Charles is not quite a cobra though.

    Technically- Spinks has a good jab and subtle shifts of the shoulder which are good tools in getting the leverage mid-ring, Charles could outfight men inside and could set up offense with his jab and lunges.

    I'll wait for you now Sean
     
  5. sugarsean

    sugarsean Boxing Addict Full Member

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    some good points there, I'll write mine now, give me a minute
     
  6. sugarsean

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    well one that you mentioned that is crucial is the fact that both like to fight in the center of the ring, Charles especially is a master in center ring, Spinks has style that is unlike anthing Charles would of seen, so I defiantly feel that the early rounds would be very cagey while each is feeling each other out, it could even of been a little frustrating to watch ( the early rounds that is)

    what you think
     
  7. sugarsean

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    I see a lot of jabbing and feinting early on
     
  8. teeto

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    I see a lot of that too. But these two don't like to 'dance' as they say and exchanges would occur because of that, they'd be in range. Spinks is deceptive, he stands like a tall boxer type, but he's always looking to measure you i reckon.

    Do you reckon its going the distance?
     
  9. sugarsean

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    I don't know you see they both had good chin's, but I think Charles was the grittier of the two I mean his fights with Marciano where skillfull dog fights, well Charles was past best, so if things get rough I favouring Charles in that area, but how long do think it take until that of fight unfolds is the question,

    what you think,
     
  10. teeto

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    I'm taking Charles to make the fight epic and get wild throwing to the body and head. On points though, Charles is constantly in danger of being hurt which could cause Spinks to attempt a finish, which he was so good at. Charles for me. Call me crazy.
     
  11. sugarsean

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    Yeah Charles, yeah that sounds like Charles :lol:, but I think that is to Charles advantage with his greater power and chin, Charles could be hurt but had great recovery powers, I think Spinks best game plan would to stay on the outside ( that usually is where not to fight Charles) but with his arkward angles, there is a chance Spinks can fluster Charles.

    what you think, agree or disagree
     
  12. teeto

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    Well that's a good point, very actually. Charles wants you outside, where he tees off. But Spinks can time you so well out there.

    I already made my peace with picking Charles though!!!
     
  13. sugarsean

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    Yeah them angles of Spinks could mess with Charles being able to time them.

    but like I said I think Charles wins this, he's a great ring genral and I believe he would adjust to Spinks style,

    so all thats left is to pick wheather it goe's the distance or not,

    you first :good
     
  14. teeto

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    If Charles wins it has to go the distance imo. Even with the Tyson stoppage standing, he can handle a battle.

    I'm not sure which light-heavies you're familiar with so i'll let you pick the next one Sugarman.
     
  15. teeto

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    In fact it's late. Why don;t you pick the next bout. We'll let the rest of the forum speak on it over night and me and you can chip in tomorrow before making a choice and moving on. Deal?