Light heavyweights' records against other top light heavyweights

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  1. Manassa

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    This may or may not be quite telling. I've quickly compiled a list of several top light heavyweights and their records against other top thirty all time light heavyweights.

    - I'm being quite conservative in my estimations of who is top thirty and who isn't, because not everyone will agree

    - Verdicts are not changed; a robbery may be unfair, but for now I will not take the liberty to tamper with results (so Charles-Johnson is still a loss for Charles)

    - Newspaper victories are counted

    - Delaney stands for Jack, not Jimmy

    - Didn't count Lloyd Marshall or Young Stribling

    - Fights at heavyweight are still valid, as long as both fighters were great light heavyweights

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    Ezzard Charles: 12-2-0 (Moore, Johnson, Bivins, Maxim)

    Archie Moore: 11-5-1 (Charles, Johnson, Bivins, Maxim, Pastrano)

    Michael Spinks: 2-0-0 (Qawi, Muhammad)

    Gene Tunney: 5-1-1 (Greb, Gibbons, Loughran)

    Bob Foster: 1-1-0 (Tiger, Mina)

    Sam Langford: 2-0-0 (Norfolk, O' Brien)

    Tommy Loughran: 3-6-2 (Tunney, Greb, Delaney, Carpentier, Slattery)

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    :think
     
  2. ChrisPontius

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    You forgot: Roy Jones 0-0.
     
  3. Manassa

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    Well, I'd say Hill is a top thirty light heavyweight.
     
  4. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    good research there
     
  5. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    It does show Charles' absolute dominance at lightheavyweight. The amazing thing is that 3 of those 12 wins are against Archie Moore, who would've been 11-2-1 without Charles.
     
  6. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is Mauro Mina truly a Top30 Light Heavyweight of all time?
     
  7. Manassa

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    And one of the losses Charles arguably won (Johnson). Probably past his best there as well. The other loss, to Bivins, came before his prime; although he did get battered.
     
  8. Manassa

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    I believe so.
     
  9. Ezzard

    Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mina is one of boxing's big secrets.

    Great exercise Manassa
     
  10. Manassa

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    Thank you. Here is an interesting one:

    Jim Braddock: 2-3-0-1 (Slattery, Loughran, Rosenbloom, Lewis)

    Braddock was a more proven light heavyweight than Bob Foster, at least at the top level.
     
  11. Manassa

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    How about this for a tested light heavyweight?:

    Maxie Rosenbloom: 7-9-1 (Slattery, Fox, Lewis, Greb, Delaney)

    Anyone think I should have been including Young Stribling and/or Battling Levinsky?
     
  12. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Very interesting!
    Charles was an amazing fighter:good
     
  13. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I can't for the life of me see how anyone would argue that Charles beat Johnson. He was soundly outboxed. Even if you give him the benefit of all the close rounds (the 4th and the 9th) and count the knockdown in the last round (I didn't), and give him a 10-8 round, I still think he earns a draw at best.
     
  14. Manassa

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    That's what I've always said. Trying telling it to SuzieQ49... Actually don't bother, he'll just change his opinion to suit whatever argument he's faced with.

    Whether Charles lost the fight or not matters little, however - he had seen his best days. Still think he'd always beat Johnson though, at his best - I mean, he outfoxed Charley Burley, Archie Moore and Jersey Joe Walcott.
     
  15. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At his best he probably knocks Johnson out (could just as well win on points of course), but the old, slow, plodding guy he was in this fight definitely didn't do enough for a win. Would love to see Suzie's scorecard and justification for this one.