Lightweight Round Robin

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Inspired by @redrooster, in my top 10 Lightweights thread
    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/top-10-lightweights.626584/
    He said that he didn't think Duran would beat Mayweather
    It got me thinking, I'd want to see a round robin with both them and my over 2 top Lightweights
    So in a round robin, 2 way rematch clause in all fights, with a 16ft ring and an old school ref
    Who comes out the best

    Benny Leonard
    Roberto Duran
    Joe Gans
    Floyd Mayweather Jr
     
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  2. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    Benny Leonard - beats them all, though could lose to Duran

    Roberto Duran - loses to Leonard, beats mayweather and possibly Gans (depends on ruleset).

    Mayweather - loses to Duran and Leonard. Beats Gans over modern 12 rounds. Loses to Gans over older ruleset.

    Joe Gans - depends on rulesets. On older ruleset, could go 3 - 1, with a loss still to Leonard I feel.
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

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    Round 1
    Mayweather vs Leonard
    I like Leonard to out box him at a distance with the jab, and just push him away if he tries anything funny (which an old school ref would allow)
    Same in the Rematch

    Duran vs Gans
    Duran by a string of punches, probably getting a KD with the left
    Duran could seriously hurt a fighters athleticism on the inside that would really help him against old school fighters like Gans (there athleticism wasn't as polished as the moderners)
    He'd get inside and take him down with short punches and powerful overhand rights
    Same result in the rematch

    Round 2

    Leonard vs Duran
    I think Leonard would beat Duran in rematches, but Duran would take the fight to him, taking some stuff *ss jabs in the process and probably do what he does to Gans against him over 12, both men make the distance in each fight
    In the rematch it would be another close one, but I think Leonard would know what mistakes he can capatalise on and what mistakes he couldn't make and take a close but clear decision
    Then in the third, the same result as the second just a little wider

    Mayweather vs Gans
    Not much to say here, I think Mayweather comfortably outboxes and gets a Wide UD twice (maybe even a shut out the second time)

    Round 3 (left overs)

    Leonard vs Gans
    Leonard UD, just great jab wins here, not much else to say

    Duran vs Mayweather
    I like Duran to KO Mayweather, just the body work, it would really hurt someone like Mayweather (who turned his ribs towards his opponents using his Philly Shell) and that he would eventually get around to hitting the head, seriously hurting PBF,
    The rematch, goes similarly accept Mayweather would cover his weaknesses better and probably make the distance
     
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  4. Xplosive

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    You guys are absolutely delusional sometimes regarding the early 1900s fighters.

    The only Leonard that Floyd is losing to is Ray.

    The idea of Benny Leonard outboxing Floyd is comical. Theres such a gap in speed, athleticism, and quite frankly, SKILL. And I'm by NO MEANS a Floyd fan, but some of you old old time fighter fans live in the clouds.

    Duran is the best fighter here, and beats Floyd in the final.

    Lightweights in 1917 had never seen anything like Roberto Duran or Floyd Mayweather. Wake up.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

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    Please educate your self
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    Go and find the rest
     
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  6. roughdiamond

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    Floyd never outboxed an ATG southpaw. In fact, Floyd never outboxed a peak ATG at all.

    Leonard dominated and embarrassed southpaw ATG Lew Tendler skill wise, on the outside and inside. Watch the film.
     
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    I've seen plenty of clips of Benny Leonard. He was quality... for the early 1900s.

    If you wanna live in fantasy world and pretend as though any lightweights at that time were as talented as Mayweather or Duran, go ahead.

    His tactics arent gonna be as effective in the face as someone who can counter him as quickly as Floyd, who has an advantage in athleticism over him in Floyd, and is a more complete skill package.

    Much as I hate Floyd, he's as mentally sharp as any fighter in history. His skill and talent is just something that didnt exist among lightweights in 1917. Same with Duran.
     
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  8. George Crowcroft

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    I don't know how you can watch a peak Benny Leonard film and think hes outboxed by Mayweather, in fact any LW for that matter. Mayweather wouldnt have been able to avoid that jab (at welter he would). Leonard would comfortably outbox PBF
     
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  9. roughdiamond

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    Ray Arcel thought Leonard could beat Duran.

    He trained both men. I think he knew more than you.
     
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  10. PhillyPhan69

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    Well if Red Rooster is your inspiration for threads I can’t wait for SRL vs Norris 2.....

    But anyway I think Duran is the favorite, but I wouldn’t say widely....I could actually see any of the 4 winning. I would say Duran is the favorite Gans the underdog, but all 4 could legitimately win.

    Even though I would pick Duran
    Duran 3-0
    Floyd 2-1
    Benny 1-2
    Gans 0-3

    I would not expect Duran to go 6-0 or Gans 0-6 if they all fought twice
     
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  11. mcvey

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    I think Leonard beat superior opposition to just about any lightweight
    Welsh
    Tendler
    Mitchell
    Britton
    Moore
    Mandot
    Dundee
    White
    Bartfield
    Compare very favourably to Duran's opponents. imo.
    Leonard was also dominating the division up to the end of 1924 when he retired as champion.
     
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  12. KuRuPT

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    and Arcel has also said that Duran was the best fighter he ever trained. He seemed to go back and forth on this subject some.
     
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  13. KuRuPT

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    As much as I hate to admit it, May does better in my view in h2h fights than overall resume/achievements. Leonard is clearly the better LW, but that doesn't mean May couldn't beat him.
     
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    I think it was because he was mostly undecided.
     
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  15. mcvey

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    Arcel only trained the come-backing welterweight version of Leonard.He stated categoricaly Duran was the best.
     
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