LIGHTWEIGHT TORNAMENT FINAL- Roberto Duran vs Henry Armstrong

i know Durans training has been critisced but there is no way he could of been as fit as he was without training i refuse to beleive it.

Also sit ups do help your stomach but the worst body shots are more into the top of your stomach and the bottom of the ribs and chest. Not an area where sit ups cover well

 

Any doubt about Duran being able to take monster shots to the body went out the window after watching what Barkley did to him. Some of those shots came out of Duran's back. And Barkley remained committed to the body throughout the fight... effect on Duran? Nada.

 

This fight is being fought at LIGHTWEIGHT.

 

Yes... However, it is to be doubted that Duran's ability to take a shot to the ribs would improve at 37, against a natural MW who hit about twice as hard as any LW I know of. Deductive reasoning.

 

Unless he was weight drained at 135. After all, he was floored in at least two separate fights as a lightweight, whereas you seldom ever saw him floored at 147 through 160, except against the almighty puncher Hearns. There is reason to believe his punch resistance was better above 135.

 

Weight drained is possible, but considering that this is a hypothetical, we'd have to assume he would be in peak form.

As to his being floored those two times by DeJesus (Also, I think it would have been justifiable had the ref ruled a KD on him early in the Buchanan fight), that could have been partly due to the speed of thost left hooks and Duran's being a bit less than he was 4 years later. Duran also relied on cleverness as he aged and became far more of a counterpuncher which would, as you know, decrease the risk he got when charging in.

Either way, I'd virutally rule out any suspicion of Duran's not being able to take it from Armstrong downstairs.

In fact, it was Armstrong, not Duran, who was observed having an "extreme dislike for body blows".... albeit in his first pro fight, 1931.

 

The KDs at Lightweight for Duran dont look like normal KDs associated with weight draining they was just good shots that caught him coming in and put him down for a flash KD. These were early KDs

Normally a weight drained KD is later on in a fight where the fighter who is drained feels weaker. Especially for the 2nd KD against DeJesus Duran did not get weaker he got stronger and came on in the later rounds.

Also weight draining KDs generally happen to the body the Duran KDs were both chin shots. Left Hooks to be exact

 

Deductive reasoning ? No ,flawed speculation.
Jimmy Ellis was dropped by Ruben Carter when he was 24,yet at age 34 he went 10rds with Ron Lyle without hitting the deck.

Archie Moore was kod by Leonard Morrow when he was 32,yet he went 9rds with Marciano when he was 39 .

Common denominator? they were fighting at different weights.
This is a matchup between LIGHTWEIGHTS.
What they did at other weights is irrelevant and inadmissable to this thread.

 

Speculation is flawed by definition.

If you question my logic, fine, but at least argue your own point. And your point, which I originally disputed concerns the body, not the chin. And there's a big difference.

Duran could take it to the body. He was never noticably hurt to the body, nor did he go down from the body. Taking monster shots TO THE BODY from a man who could hit twice as hard as any LW I can think of confirms what we already knew, which is that Duran could take it to the body.

 

Yeh,I recken thats about as near as it gets for all of us & no disgrace to hammerin hank who was indeed a man of his times, actually this must be the only fantasy match up i'am not that happy with, allbeit i'am a Duran nut, what hank achieved back in the day yer could'nt put into a rocky script, seeing this man held 3 world title's at the same time & in an era when the tough were tough as it goes, rose tinted glasses maybe, but yeh, roberto on his best day would get the job done, **** it, i really hate dissing hank but as i said in my earlier post you can pick from the Duran of 74 or 78 too see how this would be settled & even as i write this i'am unsure, it should be duran easy, BUT i'am showing a bit of respect here that is maybe rose tinted bottler that i am, all i can honestly say is that the sadist that came up with this match up needs his teeth smashed down his ****in neck:smoke

 

I believe Leonard hurt Duran to the body in the 7th round in New Orleans. He didn't go down, he just quit.

 

He may have. That's a decent call though we both know he didn't quit because of anything physical Leonard was doing to Duran, which was actually not much.

 

Good reply!

I think you won that argument!

I dont expect Armstrong would stop Duran ,whether from a body shot or a head shot ,but I would expect him to slow him down with the incessant body shots , he often threw .
This would be a close quarter fight at which Duran is very adept Armstrong ? He probably wrote the book on it.
Duran is the more versatile fighter,he could win this from mid range ,but would Armstrong allow him to stay at that distance?

 

Don't let Russell see this. Hank hadn't eaten for 63 days and had 11 broken ribs.