Lightweights that could replicate Duran’s performance against Hagler?

What an utterly bizarre take.

 

Him and Duran are the same height, while Leonard was taller than him, I don't believe that Hagler was 5'9, he was closer to 5'7. I remember hearing that Hagler pretty much walked about weighing 160, he's said that out of camp he scarcely weighed above 165 normally. In fact, this was a point of praise for some on this forum iirc, how Hagler didn't cut weight the same way guys do today and always kept in shape. Hagler weighed in comfortably under the limit for MW fights in the afternoon of the fight and was a stout guy. If he did less S&C and focused primarily on cardio, sauna suits, and the like, he could absolutely make 140, especially if he were afforded the same supplements, pills, vitamins, and sports science stuff the guys today have. Ryan Garcia, Devin Haney, Josh Taylor, all of them are about the same size as Hagler, they just don't put as much muscle on their frames as he did.

 

Look at the size of Chavez`s fist! How could Chavez have kept Hagler off if Mugabi couldn`t and Tommy had twice the power Chavez had, Chavez was dropped by Randall who weighed far less than the muscular Hagler.

 

Are you comparing Taylor and Haney`s power to Hagler? Haney only has a 50% KO ratio against lightweights.

 

Duran`s reach was 67-68 inches while Hagler`s was 75 inches, Haney`s reach is 72 inches while Taylor`s is 69>5, Hagler would have jabbed there ears off.

 

No, I said they were the same size, I never even mention their power proportionate to one another.

And yet Hagler rarely fought on the outside and was easily lured into brawls, thus negating his reach advantages. If Antuofermo, an ancient Briscoe, and Mugabi could lure Hagler onto the inside (and in the case of Vito, find a lot of success inside), then I'm sure that other fighters roughly the same size as the guys mentioned above could have negated Hagler's reach. It's not all about dimensions, it's about how use them, and Hagler wasn't a big fan of fighting long. And besides, I never even mention Taylor or Haney as possible Hagler opponents, you're just getting your nickers in a twist over something I didn't say.

 

Duran -Hagler is one of my favourite fights of all time and I now enjoy it in crystal clear HD.
My opinions may be controversial and offensive.

I did have Duran only losing due to Marvin's strong finish at the end.

I don't buy for a moment the suggestion Marvin "carried' Roberto so he could have a lucrative rematch in the absence of other marquee fighters. Marvin suffered a busted up face for his trouble if that was the plan. I just don't buy it of one of the most professional fighters we've seen. A man who cut no corners.
Besides in 1984 he had a Thomas Hearns to look forward to
I do understand how some could think that way...as 1983 ended with SRL retired, 160lb showdown with Benitez in tatters, the MW division pretty much cleaned out...Curry only just winning the 147lb crown a Duran rematch in 1984 wouldve been convenient and also a better payday than anything else out there apart from Hearns.

I think Duran's power at 160lbs is underrated in some quarters online. So we're his slick skills and footwork. I think Marvin would've been surprised by Durans counterpunching and speed early. The opening of the 3rd round where Marvin throws the same brutal right/ left that decimated Tony Sibson and Duran ducks,pivots and lands a 2 punch combo to Haglers body.

I recall after the 1989 SRL-Duran 3 superfight going in to school and my friend Tim called Duran a " fat Italian b word' ......well that fat Italian b word with one right hander in the 11th cut Ray's eye ,busted up his lip and nose.

He was still hands of stone after all.

In answer to the thread topic.
It's difficult to see...I considered Arguello and quickly un-considered....Mayweather? He certainly dealt with Canelo who was a big 154lbs but MMH is a world apart

Pacquio ? He had speed and the same heart Duran had.But just too small.

 

Hagler couldn't land his power shots on Duran, he was to slick.

 

Hagler`s jab was constant and brilliant, have you ever actually seen more than one Hagler fight? Marvin was a fantastic boxer with really good fundamentals.

 

Had he stepped up his activity and went body and head, I do think he could've set a pace that Duran struggled to live with - one that a referee might well step in and stop in the championship rounds.

When a fighter is very good defensively, you take off some of the sting, use more feints and increase your activity - when you're the bigger man, have more power and have your own elite skillset, eventually, the dam should break.

I just don't think Hagler fought that great a fight - kudos to Duran, as he was slick and showcased his brilliance, but I'm mindful that Hagler was in awe (Duran was a real life living legend) and never looked as 'unsure' of himself as the champion as he did against Duran ... and later against Leonard.

 

Kind of what I thought if too,the fight was very competitive still imo,but Duràn just looked more convincing for round 12,until the 14th and 15th came and Marvin unleashed that strong finish.