Hey guys, I don't post here often but I really respect the amount of knowledge I see on this page (sometimes it's stuck between piles of trash- but it's there none the less). Does anyone have a specific list of title claimants under the LPR rules? I know several of those guys but I wasn't sure if they had a clear lineage. Any insight would be helpful. Thanks gents.
Yes and no. I'll note none of these are exclusively for the London Prize RIng rules, I'm just going to answer this for bareknuckle lineages in general, since I've never looked into the origin of the LPR rules. I think wikipedia says they came about in 1838, which isn't a period I've seriously looked into either. Cyberboxingzone has lineages for british and american champions http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/bare-am.htm http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/barenuk.htm Glaukos was also working on a project that included them all as well as others, but it's unfinished and has been inactive for a while. https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/heavyweight-champions-from-ancient-to-present-wip.597272/ There is significant issues however with the standard lineages. There's guys like John J Dwyer and Jack Carter who I never see included, but I think deserve to be The English lineage pre-Tom Johnson is also basically a mess, with a number of fights being found that contradict the lineage, and no one seems to have been able to find records of some of the fights in the lineage. I discuss some of it here https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/black-period-revised-prologue.619807/ Though some of my opinions have changed, and it could probably do with an overhaul at some point. It's pretty unclear that anyone other than Jack Broughton should really be considered an English champion pre Tom Johnson, where the lineage gets a bit more clear. There's also some other guys that are generally included, but probably shouldn't be. James Figg doesn't even seem to have been a boxer, and it just seems to have been a corruption that got him included. I think Tom Owens as well is a pretty questionable inclusion. I've also never seen anything to back Tom Molineaux's inclusion as American champion It's a fun topic with a lot of research to be done.
Thanks for the response. Yeah, there really is a lot of uncertainty when it comes to trying to clean up the past fighters. I see guys in the Hall of Fame who have one known fight-- with many presumed fight left for us to wonder about.
I'd like to have a good grasp on who the big players were. And I like the stories about Bendigo, who might have been one of the first under the LPR system.
Pugilistica would probably be the best place to start for British boxers, though it is flawed. You can get Pugilistica on archive.org, Volume 1 Volume 2 Volume 3 Cyberboxingzone is very handy resource to begin from when searching news archives. I don't think there's any sources you could considered really authoritative though, so always be ready question what you read
