lineal title at HW right now

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  1. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Can't have a linear title fight without Sugar Wladdy invloved, the universally #1 rated Heavyweight.
     
  2. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ring magazine isn't the same as lineal. I think the Ring ranks are
    appropriate to create Ring title but there should be more general
    consensus as who is #2 and #3 to create the linear title.

    For example fight of Lacy and Calzaghe were for Ring belt but
    Lacy was not recognized as high in general view so that fight
    was not for lineal title. Now Kessler is widely recognized as No2
    and Kessler-Calzaghe is for both lineal title and Ring belt.

    From this point of view there should be wide consensus
    (outside the Ring ranks) who is appropriate to fight Wlad for lineal title.
     
  3. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ah yes, you are correct.
     
  4. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ring rated Kessler #2 when Lacy fought Calzaghe. No one knows why the "special circumstances" clause was invoked.

    BTW, as far as I know, and based on current lineal champions, the WBA and WBC unification doesn't equate to Lineal status. Otherwise Erdai wouldn't be Lineal at LHW.
     
  5. Punisher33

    Punisher33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Peter and Chagaev should fight, thats a fight would like to see. I give it a 50/50, Peter might do well considering Chagaev is nearly the same hieght at 6'1 and Peter being naturally bigger as well. Great fight that would help clear up the mess in the heavywieght division.

    Sultan should not be considered as a better ranking than Peter, his last 2 fights were not only boring but against weak opposition like Holyfield and Briggs.
     
  6. LennoxGOAT

    LennoxGOAT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ownage.
     
  7. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As fas as the linear champion is established, you have to beat him to get his tile.
    Thats why Jones didn't have it nor Hopkins doesn't.

    The linear champion at HW is vacant so any case to establish it again (unification or not) is valid.
     
  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're missing the point. I know you have to beat the champ to get the title. Erdai beat Gonzalez, who beat DM, who beat Hill to get it. But Hill got it whenit was vacated by unifying with Maske. Maske was the IBF champion, Hill was the WBA champion. The WBC was not in play. So if you need the WBC and the WBA, then Hill would never have been champ for the line to start again.

    That is why I said the WBA and WBC according to who the Lineal champions are now is not needed to establish lineage. You need a clear #1 vs #2 which should be established by unification most of the time.
     
  9. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agree ... which particular belt is involved doesn't matter.
    However its very rare that some fighters are recognized
    as #1 and #2/3 and they both have no belts at that time
    and there is no currently other linear champion.

    I did ask some time ago but there was no clear answer:
    who exactly decides if the fight is establishing new liner title or not?
     
  10. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member

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    When the belts are unified, Wlad will be lineal
     
  11. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But if he loses then his opponent become lineal as well?

    I mean, you may justify that Wlad wins over Ibragimov may give him linear title
    even if you consider Maskavev and Chagavev over Ibragimov ...
    but is the same case working for Ibragimov if he baets Wlad?
     
  12. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ruslan Chagaev or Sultan Ibragimov.
     
  13. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    True, but it's unfortunate we've not had a linear champ since Lewis retired.

    (And no, I never recognized Vitali as the linear champ as a result of his beating the Golfer who ousted his little brother who was in no way, shape, or form the consensus #2 or #3 fighter on any objective list!)
     
  14. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Good post. :good

    Also: KG, if you check the Ring mag ratings from November 1996, Hill was #2 and Maske was #1 at 175 lbs. This was the consensus among all boxing publications at the time. That info is actually still up in the boxrec encyclopedia section.
     
  15. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member

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    i meant all 4 belts. (or you could make a case for 3 of the 4 but honestly it should be all 4)