List 3-division world titlists...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Illmatic, Jan 24, 2008.


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  1. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    Do you know who was lineal at the time, I just knew it was unification.
     
    Boom_Boom, Jan 25, 2008
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  2. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Apparently, no one. The titles hadn't been unified in years at that weight.
     
    kg0208, Jan 25, 2008
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  3. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I don't think Pac Man cares about belts - why would he 'defend' an international title about seven times!

    The belt is secondary to the guys in the middle - the way boxing is these days means this is commonplace.
     
    Beeston Brawler, Jan 25, 2008
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  4. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    could you expalne the diffrence?
     
    ripcity, Jan 25, 2008
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  5. box_fan_uk

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    Iran Barkley
     
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  6. Illmatic

    Illmatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    damn, youre right....the things you can accomplish by having a great fighters #
     
    Illmatic, Jan 25, 2008
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  7. Boom_Boom

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    then it would of been lineal still even if Sanchez's belt was given to him
     
    Boom_Boom, Jan 25, 2008
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  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How so? Winning two belts isn't even full unification much less Lineal.

    The 3 different ways people contend that a lineal champion can be re-established after it has been vacated or broken are as follows (to my knowledge)

    1. WBA-WBC Unification. (I doubt this is accurate since it has been re-established without this. But it is arguable since they are the 2 oldest belts)

    2. WBA-WBC-IBF Unification. (WBO may be apart of it NOW, depending on who the champion is. But as recently as last year it was unnecessary to be considered undisputed)

    3. A #1 vs #2 matchup between the 2 recognized top fighters in the division. (Usually taken care of by the 2nd equation, but not always. And they have fought before without belts to create lineage as well, so this may be the ACTUAL way it is done of the 3, with the 2nd one being a byproduct of this one. Problem is, who decides who the top 2 are?)

    Point is, none of those 3 situations was present when Pacquiao faced Sanchez. Neither was considered #1 or #2 (Pacquiao was rated #1 by Ring after the fight with Sanchez, behind Ayala who was the Ring champion). And it wasn't for total unification. So even if he had won, he wouldn't have been lineal.
     
    kg0208, Jan 25, 2008
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  9. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    So Ayala was lineal, which was my original question in the first place.
     
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  10. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, he was Ring. Not lineal....
     
    kg0208, Jan 25, 2008
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  11. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My P4P list places more emphasis on perceived ability and H2H. My ATG list is based mostly on accomplishments/resume. All of it is factored in on both lists, but certain things are emphasized more on each.
     
    kg0208, Jan 25, 2008
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  12. Illmatic

    Illmatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    most of the time, ring re-establishes lineal b.c of the #1 v #2 matchup that is required for it. Except for some notable exceptions like Vitali and Hopkins at light heavy.
     
    Illmatic, Jan 26, 2008
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  13. bxrfan

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    Alexis Arguello hasn't been mentioned yet.
     
    bxrfan, Jan 26, 2008
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  14. Drew101

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    Add Leo Gamez, too. He was never lineal, but he did win alphabet titles in four weight classes.
     
    Drew101, Jan 26, 2008
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  15. Illmatic

    Illmatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    you sure know your low weight classes
     
    Illmatic, Jan 27, 2008
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