List reaons for Wlad not being a top 30 heavyweight

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Vidic, Jan 24, 2013.


  1. Vidic

    Vidic Rest in Peace Manny Full Member

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    I've seen a few people claim he isn't, or isn't an all time great heavyweight at all

    I think he completely beatable. Has fought relatively poor opposition, but his ability combined with his dominiation and potential head to head difficulty for a decent amount of other great fighters, means he has to be taken seriously in this kind of lists.

    Can I think of 30 heavyweights with a better resume...probably not

    Can I think honestly, of 30 heavyweights I would pick to beat him? No

    What also counts against him is his losses against mediocre opposition and not avenging them (well, two). Which in addition to the opposition, will keep him fairly mid-table on a reasonable ATG list

    But yeah....explain :think
     
  2. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  3. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    He's fifteen for me. I don't believe he's had poor opposition. I believe that's been unrealistically blown out of proportion like normally happens when there's a dominant guy. On a letter grade scale, I think he's had several B- to B+ fighters on his resume. It's deep with those, really. Just no A-levers. Good to very good opposition, no one great, in my opinion. If he had one great fighter on his resume, in addition to the other accomplishments, he'd be in my lower top ten already.
     
  4. Espin88

    Espin88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He's in my top 15.
     
  5. tezel8764

    tezel8764 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Because he's Russian. :yep
     
  6. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    You dont become an ATG by default of dominating the weakest HW division known to man.

    Greatness is evaluated by the strenght of oppisition defeated. He beat only fluffers and lost by KO to the toughest fighters he faced.

    Nobody watches his fights outside of Europe. How is a current active HW ATG unable to generate PPV sales or any interest on the world stage.
     
  7. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Weaker than the 30s, 50s or 80s? :lol: This is far from the weakest era ever. Wlad is king of the hill in average HW times. Not a bad achievement at all.
     
  8. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Fat middeweights and fighters with bum tickers won titles in the 00s. It was so bad it turned a generation on to MMA
     
  9. Synthetic Decay

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    What as opposed to heavyweights of years gone by entire careers being against middleweights?

    It's an average heavyweight era, heavyweight very rarely has any true depth of talent.

    As for the question. Wlad's losses were bad and he is one of the most vulnerable ATG's that i can think of but he is top 15 at heavy.
     
  10. dyna

    dyna Boxing Junkie banned

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    I just looked up on some of Marcianos opponents, one Bobby Quinn.
    Was a heavyweight in all his fights except his last two.
    His second last was at lhw, and the last at welter.

    I really want to know why he decided to go welter.
     
  11. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    And the horrible 80s turned a generation to Hulk Hogan WWF :hi:

    Mediocre fighters like Seldon, Moorer, McCall, 50 year old Foreman, Hide, Botha and Akinwande were holding belts in the 90s :hi:
     
  12. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    I don't see how he isn't rated top 30. A lock for me.

    I agree about him being completely beatable, everyone is beatable - there's just fewer ways to beat them and fewer fighters capable of doing it.
     
  13. Cletis VanDamme

    Cletis VanDamme Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol: Top 30 ?

    I have to give you that OP, you're much more of a subtle hater than lots of your countrymen but you must be one of the worst.
     
  14. Garrus

    Garrus Big Boss 1935-2014 Full Member

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  15. Hattons Hook

    Hattons Hook Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He isnt though really is he ? It may be no fault of his own but he's never beaten the number 2 either.