list your all time top 10 p4p ratings.

Thats your list. I repeat "your" list. What you know about boxing and fighters records is put together and thats what you come up with.

Some people have different criteria. Many people include fighters simply by whats on paper rather than footage too. Greb gets the benefit of the doubt at times. Can you imagine someone safely placing Hagler in a top 20 having never seen any of his fights and knowing little about some of opposition? It's exactly the same scenario.

 

I think you were nitpicking on SRL, Like if there is any shame in getting out boxed by one of THE best Offensive fighters in History. Then coming back to knock him out to me shows how great he was,the Duran argument holds no water cause as you will see I have him #1 on my list,Hagler is probably my #2 at middleweight and I felt Leonard edged him out,besides Leonard wasnt in his prime either and had been off for awhile. As for Greb being old well Flowers was also at the tail end of his career,and like I said earlier there is not much seperating The top of the atg list. I also thought Greb took more of a shellacking than he did, i checked it out and I guess these fights were much closer than i had thought. Chavez had 27 title defenses(MOST EVER) 3 division champ reigning pfp fighter for a while also Arguably greatest Jl of all time,greatest JW of all time,and Lightweight was his best weight he just didnt stay long enough to establish himself in that weight. Defeated Countless champs throughout his career, and rregardless of his early career wins 1/2 of his career total were still over quality opposition,besides all the old timers with crazy amounts of wins were not against the greatest opposition early on. Chavez resume matches them and surpasses many. FInd the Post on Chavez opinions i posted more

 

All well and good, but Joe Calzaghe also had 21. Doesn't automatically put him up there with the best

Who did he win those against though? Rosario was a good win, the others he won against Angel Hernandez - dismantled by a green Tszyu a couple of years later, and Mario Martinez.

Arguello? Mayweather?

Tszyu? Pryor?

I think you'd be hard pressed to find 57 quality naames on his resumé.

But guys in the top 10 with him like Langford & Greb have outstanding resumés packed with wins over great fighters. Off the top of my head a few names Chavez has beaten - Taylor, Camacho, Rosario, Ramirez, Hauge, Randall, Limon. Don't get me wrong, some very good wins there, but comparable to Greb's record?

 

I think it is a decent list but I am assuming from you list that you have not considered the guy who:

was considered the best middleweight in the world for longer than anyone else;
was considered the best light heavyweight in the world for longer than anyone else;
was considered the best fighter in the world for a decent period of time.
was considered at top 3 heavyweight in the world for nearly 8 years.

All while weighing in between the middleweight and light heavyweight limit.

Am i correct in this assumption?

 

Something like

Robinson
Greb
Armstrong
Langford
Charles
Duran
Ali
Ray Leonard
Walker
Pep

 

No Mickey Walker anymore McGrain? :sad2

 

Barney Ross over Benny Leonard? I am guessing that i need to take a closer look at at Barney Ross.

 

1. SRR
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Sam Langford
5. Roberto Duran
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Ray Leonard
8. Willie Pep
9. Muhammed Ali
10. Archie Moore

 

Tommy V Yesterday you mentioned how Calzaghe had 21 and said does that put him on top of the list. Of course not Calzaghes Opposition was no where near Chavez's. You tend to make silly comparisons Tszyu being on Par with a prime Chavez at JW PUUleease. Pryor was right there but id still put Chavez above him at JW.
Also your facts were wrong Chavez beat Martinez,Rosario and Mayweatherand unifying against Taylor for his 3 titles not Hernandez. I agree that the greatest Jl could be either Arguello or Chavez with Mayweather in the mix,but Chavez actually got better when he moved to lightweight,and still fought on at an elite championship level for another 11 to 12 years,im not gonna list every quality fighter cause ive done it numerous times already and the list is very long i forgot how many champs hes beaten but its a staggering amount,along with a handful of undefeated contenders.

 

Mine would be something like;

1. Ray Robinson
2. Sam Langford
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Harry Greb
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Willie Pep
7. Roberto Duran
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Benny Leonard
10. Mickey Walker

The top five is pretty much set in stone, numbers 6 - 8 interchange places constantly and Archie Moore often just sneaks in.

That's it today though.

 

1. Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Harry Greb
4. Sam Langford
5. Willie Pep
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Benny Leonard
8. Roberto Duran
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Joe Gans

HM: Ray Leonard, Pernell Whitaker, Archie Moore

 

Try this one on for size.

1. Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Henry Armstrong
4. Sam Langford
5. Bob Fitzsimmons
6. Roberto Duran
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Benny Leonard
9. Muhammad Ali
10. George Dixon