list your all time top 10 p4p ratings.

A top 10 without Muhammad Ali is bull****.

Ps. I know franks list was much worse, but to be fair... he`s clearly having a joke.

 

This is unacceptable in anyone`s language, completely mesmerising.

 

That's your opinion, no more.

 

How is it? *****.

 

****in nutters.

 

Agreed, any list of the top ten heavies of all time without Ali is bull****. :deal

 

1.Ray Robinson
2.Henry Armstrong
3.Harry Greb
4.Joe Louis
5.Sam Langford(havent seen him fight all that much)
6.Roberto Duran
7.Willie Pep
8.Muhammed Ali
9.Ezzard Charles
10.Ray Leonard

 

I disagree. I dont even think Ali was the best ever Heavyweight.

 

Why?

I could justify him going above McAuliffe without too much trouble, as they are very close but for this list i gave 1 division dominance a high rating, but i think he struggles to get any higher than this. He was an awesome welterweight champion, definitely one of the two or three best of all time and probably the best. I am not sure where he ranks as a middleweight but probably is top 10 of all time. I dont think this places him higher than any of the top 3, who each started off at a lighter weight than Ray Robinson and went on to be more succesful at higher weights.


In fairness to Ray, i always fail to give him the benefit of the doubt in a lot of areas because there are so many that overate him and refuse to recognise the claims of other greats.

 

Neither Fitzsimmons nor Langford started off at a lower weight than Robinson, and Armstrong didn't go on to greater success at higher weights.

 

Fitzsimmons was a New Zealand Lightweight champion. Langford a lightweight also. Did Robinson start off lighter than lightweight? Armstrong was arguably a better middleweight (the higher weights) than Sugar Ray was.

 

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1. Greb
2. Robinson
3. Armstrong
4. Langford
5. Fitz
6. Charles
7. Duran
8. Pep
9. Benny
10. Ali

 

Tier 1:
Sam Langford
Harry Greb
Henry Armstrong
Sugar Ray Robinson

Tier 2:
Bob Fitzsimmons
Ezzard Charles

Tier 3:
Mickey Walker
Willie Pep

Tier 4:
Benny Leonard
Barney Ross
Roberto Duran