1. Mayweather 2. Ward 3. Pacquiao 4. Wladimir 5. Rigondeaux 6. Bradley 7. Marquez 8. Sergio Roman Gonzalez, Danny Garcia, Mikey Garcia, Bernard Hopkins, Carl Froch... Pretty debatable between these guys all for those last two spots.
if you havnt noticed iv have Ward ahead of Gonzalez and Sergio so it isnt as if iv been nice to them and put Ward down too much and Ward has fought twice since 2011, Gonzalez has fought 9 times, Martinez has fought 3 times and been injured if i was being hard on Ward he would be lower and i almost didnt put Martinez in at all because most people dont even see him as number one at middleweight anymore but he still has to fight GGG
I did notice it, but the point I was making is if Ward is number 5 on your list for doing nothing special then surely Gonzalez and especially Martinez shouldn't be in the your top 10. Yeah Gonzalez has fought 9 times since then, but how many of them were top ten guys in their division? If Ward had fought Gonzalez's opponents who were made up of two top 15 guys and one gatekeeper, but the rest were ranked about 100 or below, would you have him higher? As i said before it's your list and you can put whoever were you want, but you have to remember after Ward beat Froch in the super six final he went on to beat Arguably a top 10 P4P fighter in Chad Dawson. Ward had a long lay off after that due to injury (no fault of his own), but came back to beat a top 10 arguably top 6 smw in Rodriguez. I mean that's impressive.
in all fairness he made Dawson weight drain down to 168 and Dawson was a shadow of how good he was and i wouldnt have had Dawson in my top 10 p4p even at 175. Stevenson did a way more impresssive job on him at his own weight and i didnt put him in my top 10. And Rodriguez was probebly more top 15. If he had faught 9 times and stayed active id have kept him in second place but he fights on average once every 1 and a half years and not against great opposition
That's fair enough it's your opinion, but Dawson might have went down to smw, but I don't know about him being "a shadow of how good he was" because he just came off a career best win against Hopkins. Dawson had only dropped a tight decision in Canada against Pascal where he nearly KO'd him at the end (Pascal never gave Dawson a rematch) before he beat Hopkins (who schooled Pascal). Dawson had also beating guys like Adamek, Tarver x2 and Glen Johnson x2, so he was arguably a top 10 P4P fighter never mind him being P4P no.1 at 175 lbs when he fought Ward. As for Rodriguez the guy's clearly top ten at smw and if you have seen the rankings at the minute there's no way you can leave him out of the top ten. I mean Rodriguez has had to go up to LHW to get fights and he blew away Dennis Grachev in one round whereas Lucian Bute (top ten at the time) struggled to beat Grachev. Another thing if Ward had been as active, but fought the same level of opposition as Gonzalez, I would be very disappointed.
#1 Wlad is a robust 250lbs, this a lb/lb list, by definition no heavyweight should be in it unless its some lighter division guy who managed to beat all (Holyfield at one point) #2 Bradley & JMM are old news, out hustled, outlasted by Pacman...who is low on my list cause I don't rate JMM that high...anymore... Finally all opinions are acceptable...but are not always correct, mine is based of more cold crude facts & less fuzzy irrational feelings [working on ridding myself of the last feelings in exchange for more consciousness :roll: ] so I can say I am 100% accurate-correct You show me nothing...that tells me you are rarely correct hence your incorrect approval of a P4P that had 250 Wlad on it atsch...lots of emotions coming from you :nono To be correct you have to be feeling less...and yet manage to stay intensely alert & extremely conscious...lots of contrast...thats the only way you can tell things apart