List your top ten of the last forty years.

Not bad. Looks better than some other poster's I know

 

I was surprised u didn't have neither 1 out of Norris , Jackson & Nunn in yours .
Jackson & Nunn deserve it more than Norris and also more than Ali .
Ali really doesn't deserve any recognition , but u all ignore d facts .
I m not totally convinced in my list myself , Starling , Brown , Canizales , Galaxy , Jorge Lujan , Arbachakov , Mark Johnson might deserve 2 b in and then they may be more that my list does injustice with , but just maybe .
And then there is also Wonjongkam .

going over your list :
1) Duran - OK
2) Hagler - probably not a top 10 , quite similar 2d Monzon case below
3) Jonz - better than Floyd , but overrated 4d same reasons
4) Monzon - dominant , but unproven p4p , and not deserving , d thread about his resume proves he's overrated on p4p basis on this board .
5) Ali - wouldn't make d top 80 of recent 40 years , c my recent thread about him
6) Arguello - why not Ramirez / Randall / Sanchez / Chavez (beat Camacho , did better than him vs Haugen & Rosario) ?
7) Tyson - OK
Camacho Sr - OK
9) Hopkinz - d same as Ali . Why not McCallum/Toney/Reggie Johnson ?
10) Floyd Jr - c d floyd thread by kolcade4

 

1. Duran.
2. Leonard
3. Ali
4. Pac
5. Whitaker
6. Hagler
7. Monzon
8. Chavez
9. Arguello
10. Napoles

Honorable Mentions: Hopkins, Spinks, Jones, Mayweather, Holyfield,

Don't know how I couldn't include Hopkins, I really wanted to.

 

Interesting, unique list. I dig it. Yeah, I too thought Ali post 70 might be overrated in this context but the Frazier and Foreman wins are pretty big.

 

If Monzon is almost universally ahead of Hagler, then why is Monzon not a consensus #1 at MW?

 

:rofl:roflatsch

 

There's a lot of love for this guy...

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He's rated more so on a P4P than for at MW. I believe Greb ranked like 3rd or 4th on the MW Classic Poll. I could be wrong, though.

 

I just found the results... Monzon was rightfully first:

MIDDLEWEIGHT DIVISION RESULTS:

1. 736 Carlos Monzon (13)
2. 718 Harry Greb (15)
3. 606 Marvin Hagler (8 )
4. 513 Sugar Ray Robinson (5)
5. 214 Bernard Hopkins
6. 155 Bob Fitzsimmons (2)
7. 140 Charles Burley
8. 121 Stanley Ketchel
9. 120 Mickey Walker
10. 116 Dick Tiger

 

:deal im a big tyson fan and also feel he'd give any heavyweight in history real trouble at his peak, and people forget he had a peak, focusing on the negatives you listed

 

I don't know where my first post went but... I think Pac on a legacy based criteria should be at least a top 5 guy. Any another criteria could list him elsewhere. There's a severe disconnect between contemporary evaluations, not just by the mainstream casuals but by some of the historians as well.

 

Eh, I was wrong on Greb. I believe the number in parenthesis is the actually 1st place votes. The difference between Monzon and Hagler are close. Here, I've seen only one other poster mention Hagler above Monzon. On many lists, Hagler doesn't even make the cut (Not a problem. Just never thought there was such a gulf between the two men).

 

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To say Spink's best wins at heavy are as good as Holyfield's is ridiculous. It's not even close who has the best accomplishments at heavy, but I'm done debating it.

 

SRR was KOd at least once and stopped on another occasion , the atomic bull was never on d floor , just knocking champions out : lewis , akiwande , maskaev , seldon , damiani all had belts . and he didn't lose 2 old holmes . maskaev was actually a destructive heavy .
just unlucky 2 meet mccall , tua and a few other really big men , he even destroyed 1 of these big men and destroyed an otherwise respected champion twice .
mccall & tua had bigger cox & eggz than any1 . can't wait 2 go over your list


edit : right , no list , like d phatt man and d sexual transformers from my p4p thread


tyson is ok and mccall is not . mccall stopped lewis who KOd tyson , tyson was/is younger than lewis , but not the man .
mccall was competitive with d same douglas who KOd tyson .

tua KOd ruiz , maskaev , izon , an undefeated darroll wilson who came off a KO of Shannon Briggs , Nate Tubbs who KOd Sanders , drew with rahman , went d distance with lewis without being close to getting stopped , set d record of most punches thrown in a hw fight along with ibeabuchi , but got robbed against him & byrd . and btw , tua vs izon was also a record breaker (or very close 2 it) in terms of punches thrown , until d ibeabuchi fight .