List your top ten of the last forty years.

Those negatives plus the fact that he was supposedly a gigantic hype machine. If it were so easy, I wonder why they haven't looked to create another figure of the same transcendent status. Boxing could sure as hell use one, especially in that division. No, Tyson's skills were very much real and elite. He simply stopped caring and went the way of your typical star athlete downfall. He was bigger than Michael Jordan. And he could've stayed that way if he didn't make some crucially idiotic decisions and stayed true to his craft.

 

In this thread he appears to be. Universally is superlative. I guess it was a stupid thing to say.

 

You don't understand the difference between "best wins" and "best accomplishments" then? Really?

Spinks-Holmes 1 is as good as if not better than Holyfield-Bowe 2 or Holyfield-Tyson 1, same goes for Spinks-Holmes 2 if you scored it for Spinks.

Thus, Spinks's best official wins at hw are as good as Holy's.

Holyfield's accomplishments are greater due to his vast longevity there, but wins and accomplishments are two different things.

 

Duran
Leonard
Ali
Whitaker
Pacquiao
Monzon
Spinks
Hearns
Chavez
Hagler

 

i'll compromize with u. If u replace Toney with Jonz I will replace Hopkinz with McCallum

 

Well the poll results on this forum and on general seem to support my position, so it's certainly debatable as to who the better fighter was.

I'm not sure of your age, but Holmes was near the end of his career when Spinks won and the second fight was up for debate.

And it's pretty hard to seperate out wins and accomplishments when you're talking about someone's career. And the end of the day they amount to pretty much the same thing, because usually a career is definated and the summation of wins and the quality of the competition that the fighter accomplished this against. Although there are exceptions, as people can claim Duran accomplished something close to historic in his loss to Hagler. In any event, Holyfield had both better wins and accomplishments than Spinks did at heavyweight, and had the Tyson that fought Holyfield fought Spinks instead, I predict he would have made short work of him even if he wasn't prime. And no version of Tyson, prime or not, gets Holfyield out in under 2 minutes, of that I am absolutely sure.