Liston-Ali II / fix or no fix?

I think it was fixed too.

 

Sonny was in the tank for this one...99.9% certain.

Why? Well, that is less certain in my view...

 

I don't think it was a fix in terms of there being outside forces at work. But, I do think Liston gave up, for whatever reason, He ****ed around on the ground just waiting for the ten count that was obvious, he could have got up. I think he realized he couldn't win, the knockdown was genuine IMO, It was a sharp fast punch right on the button.

 

If you hold a gun to my head, then it was fixed.

It has every hallmark of a fixed fight.

An irregular betting pattern emerging before the fight.

The loosing fighter being KOd in the most failsafe manner, in terms of a fixed fight.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck!

 

Quitting does not equal taking a dive. Quitting means calling it a night when it becomes clear that winning is not in the cards, and while very little time had elapsed in the contest, I think this had already been made apparent to Sonny in rather humilating fashion.

Here's how the fight goes..

Ali steps out of the corner and hits Liston with his very first punch, a hard right hand. He then proceeds to avoid everything that Sonny throws at him during the minute that follows, and then hits him with another right hand to the top of the head. This shot connects with sufficient force to cause him to pitch forward and put his gloves on the mat to break his fall; but Liston's momentum carries him to his knees anyway.

So, in that minute, Ali has proved that he can avoid anything Liston throws at him and that he can hit him at will with the right and affect him with his punches. That was enough to convince Liston to call it a night. Unfortunately, Ali misread the gesture of submission; or didn't appreciate Liston's unwillingness to play the foil for him; and when he expressed his displeasure that caused Walcott to bungle the count.

Not a fix at all, imo. And the 'dive' only took place after a legit kd had already been scored. So it's a legit- and impressive- win for Ali, imo.

 

Fake, Fake, Fake

The whole promotion was a Sports Vision, Inc. 'set-up'

And 'all' the players made alot of cash.

 

Ali & the Dundees, plus later add in King........and the stench always follows them around.

 

No fix, bad reffreeing though.

Ali cought Liston and sent him down in what was a flash knockdown.
If it was a fix why did Liston get up and contune fighting afterwards? If he threw the fight why didn't he just stay down? The reffree Jersey Joe Walcott was informed by Nat Fleischer that Liston had been down for the 10 count. The fight was stopped with both men fighting.

 

I don't think Clay ever had the power to knock someone out with a short punch like that, in the 1st round. Liston got up because I believe he thought he already lost, and the fight went on for what? 5 seconds? By the way, Sonny seemed more than okay with the decision afterwards. Combine that with the controversy about their first fight and Sonny's reputation, I'd say it wouldn't hurt to think that this was indeed a fix.

 

Here is some good insight.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuLWvYRpVR4[/ame]

 

No... but Liston was able to continue. Not a fix, he quit.

Liston went down from a good shot while he was off balance. It was not a KO shot though. Liston got up, the fight continued, then Nat Fleischer felt the need to inform everybody that Liston had been down for more than 10 seconds. It shouldn't have mattered if Liston had been down for an hour.... the count had not reached 10!

 

Referee Jersey Joe Walcott should have said, "sit down fool, I got this" and the fight should have continued.