Liston and Tyson are getting a lot of love lately and Johnson is getting shitted on

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Weaver wasnt considered a serious contender, in fact he had a 19-8 record going into the holmes fight. Without going into much detail Greg Page, Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tubbs, Michael Dokes, Tim Witherspoon Rematch, Gerrie Coetzee, were ALL considered serious threats to Larry Holmes....fights that Larry Holmes did not take on(though it can be argued he attempted to fight Coetzee)


    Disagree. Tyson always knocks him out in under 5. Cus Damato built Tysons whole style to beat a guy like Holmes from a young age.....Larry would never EVER beat Mike.

    Holmes would trouble liston greatly, but I think Liston wins a decision here..Liston would land the more telling blows during the fight. I think the jabs even out. Larry somewhere during the fight will get into a brawling match with Liston and Liston will hurt him. Larry will do his best work late in the fight, but Liston was an underrated technician, he has the goods to outmatch and outfight Larry at both long range and in close. Remember Larry struggled on the cards greatly against Aging Norton, embryo witherspoon, and Embryo Williams.
     
  2. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    Nice to see LL moving up. He was a outstanding champion. I might eventually move him to 3 on my list. :goodHe makes that case.
     
  3. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    Same. I used to rate Dempsey as high as 6 but the resmue is too thin, and when he became champion didn't fight often enough. His legend and popularity are what keeps him in many peoples top 10. I can't put him any higher than #12 now.
     
  4. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    Everytime Tyson fought a great champion he failed and Holmes was one of the baddest ever to get in the ring. He was old and still taking rounds off Mike until the speed cought up with him. I don't see how Larry at his best would lose to Mike early. He might stop him around 7 or 8 but I think it would be more of a battle with Larry's right hand finding it's mark more and more often as the fight progresses. Holmes would get hurt early but he had enough chin and heart to survive. I think the ref stops it late with Tyson out on his feet. Somewhere around round 11.
     
  5. Jaws

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    The only reason Tyson/Holmes went four rounds is because of Holmes' attempted strategy. He turtled with defense in the first three rounds to try to let Mike punch himself out, taking the edge off. Then when he finally tried some offense in the fourth, he was layed out.

    The first three rounds were just a delay of the inevitable.
     
  6. janitor

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  7. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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  8. Muchmoore

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    Spinks and Holmes were great champions.

    And Holmes wasn't taking rounds off of Tyson either in their right, Tyson dominated.
     
  9. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    The first 3 rounds were close, 3rd was pretty much even maybe a slight edge to Tyson, and Holmes probally won the 2nd. Not bad for a 38 year old considering the way Tyson was destroying contenders.
     
  10. DocDevil

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    Sonny Liston is in my top 3 with Louis and Ali.Like it has been metioned he cleaned out the division for several years.two losses to the (GREAT ONE} when his best years were behind him is not a reason to drop him..Sonny had a physique that was almost perfect for boxing.Unbeaten for ten years,he belongs in the top three.
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I applaud you on validating yourself as an imbecile.
     
  12. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am not sure whether you are just having a laugh or whether you are just starting to research the older champions, but if you are serious, i would be very interested to hear the argument as to how Tommy Burns outranks Jim Jeffries!
     
  13. DocDevil

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    Sorry I don't agree with you on everything partner.But if peoples opinions on this forum bother you,then maybe this isn't your sport.Maybe you should be watching Dancing with the Stars.
     
  14. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Tommy Burns is an intresting pick i have heard him being mentioned as one of the worst champs but i do think he is underated but top 10?