Liston, Duran and Tyson - Quit Jobs, how do you judge them ?

Yes, the tongue in cheek was hard to miss. I got some good laffs.

 

Duran and Liston's were worst. I'm talking Liston I here. They were losing and not by much and basically quit because they either felt embarrassed or realised they weren't going 15. Tyson at least acted like he wanted some sort of fight. He knew he'd be disqualified of course.

 

Yes, Duran and Liston weren't suffering any beating. I'm saying they 'felt' embarrassed rather than were being embarrassed. They were likely two situations that they regretted a few minutes later. Duran seemed to regret it seconds later in fact.

 

Oh do shut up. We're not talking Arguello sitting down after getting pummeled by for 10 rounds by Pryor here, we're talking fighters who are virtually unmarked. Two of them received millions upon millions to taste a couple of jabs. :roll:

 

I actually didn't read this when I used that example above. It seems that everyone accepts Arguello's reluctance to carry on as understandable.

 

Agreed, but about the unmarked bit, Liston's face was quite marked up despite not really taking a beating. Same with the Machen fight. He looked like a beaten fighter in the corner after the 6th, while Duran looked fresh but just not bothered by it. I don't think one is worse than the other, though Duran's quit jab probably had more impact because he just stopped fighting in the middle of the round, while Liston had the decency to wait until the round was over.

 

Fair enough, Liston had taken a few lumps but I don't consider it a proper beating. I'm sure we've all seen 'bottom of the bill' fighters carry on after far far worse than Liston had...unless his shoulder really was dislocated.

 

I agree with you about Tyson. A guy who was apoplectic with rage would have shown signs of losing it before he did. It was a cop out.

When I say Liston's surrender was pathetic I literally mean pathetic - he looked the picture of a defeated man sitting on his stool, in the first fight. Head bowed, a miserable look on his face...he just looked a pathetic figure. In a way, I feel sorry for him.

The second fight with Ali...perhaps he was told to dive, I don't know. Something stank about that fight, no doubt about it!
One thing I've been thinking about though is this: what if Liston simply decided to take the money and run, sort of do a Buster Douglas? Is it out of the question to think so?

 

Ahhh, i'm hearin' ya now. Regarding the take the money and run, can't see it myself. I've heard and read a bit about the fight and i just think/speculate Liston was told to lose.

 

Tyson had been headbutted by Holyfeild which had opened a serious cut which may have stopped the fight, this was the catalyst for his actions. The other guys to me gave up.

 

thanks :good

 

I would say Duran's surrender was the most schocking. He was still fresh and still in the fight when he just up and quit. In Liston's and Tyson's cases it was pretty clear where the fights were heading, that they really didn't have much hope of winning. That doesn't excuse their behaviour in any way, but it makes it a bit more understandable.

 

I completely agree.