Liston over Marciano - Can Anyone Sanely...

Liston: The only fighter five inches taller than his own height.
Liston: The only fighter who was 240 pounds of pure, raw muscle and bone, packed into a 215 pound "real-world" weight.
Liston: The only fighter to be 60 by the time he was 30.
Liston: The only fighter who can chemically blind you with a single jab.
Liston: He's three times more magical than a dragon ****ing a unicorn in the aurora borealis sky, which means he's really sixteen times more magical than a dragon ****ing a unicorn in the aurora borealis sky.

 

Damn it my post didn't go through. Forget it luf.

 

Marciano: The only fighter in history whose four major opponents averaged almost 37 years of age when they fought him ...

 

he grant: I will one day get him to use an avatar, like I did with MagnaNasakki and tommygun711. One day.

 

Who is him ?

 

I hate when that happens :-(

 

woo that was alooong read.

ok I have it 60:40 for Liston:Marciano after that.

 

Yeah, doesn't feel worth it to re-do it. Can't match what I had, it was good (Who knows... maybe tomorrow I'll have a change of heart. I doubt it).

Fair assessment.

 

He's a historian and filmmaker who runs around here with no avatar like some kind of ragamuffin or summat. :twisted:

 

:rofl:rofl

 

Post of the Decade.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Classic BE. Half of the times when you're funny I don't even know what side you are so I end up paying you no mind.

 

He had a broken jaw vs Marty Marshall who he outweighed in all his fights by 24lbs and Marty was KO'd 2 times before fighting Liston by Embrell Davis, yes the same Embrell Davis that Archie Moore KO'd in 1 rd.

Marshall was a Lightheavyweight and had trouble breaking past 180lbs, such bravado from Liston and as far as the Cleveland Williams fight 31-1 Williams was KO'd by Bob Satterfield in 3 rds before he fought Liston so was it such as great win and if the glass jaw Satterfield took Cleveland's best, just how much of a killer was Big Cat

 

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people get too carried away with the hype. Liston wasnt avoided that long. He hit the ratings in 58' for winning 7 fights against unrated fighters who had all lost their previous fight. 59' was the year sonny started fighting rated fighters but ingo quite rightly went ahead of him for iceing an unbeaten machen, the #1. It wasnt until 1960 where Liston was facing fighters rated above him in the ratings anyway.


The bunch of guys Liston fought earlier, ben wise, daniels, ernie cabb, mederos, whitehurst, bethea, valdez, besmanoff, howard king and wesphal were losing fights at the time Liston squashed them, each lost their previous fight coming in against liston. Even dejohn had lost 2 of his last 4 fights. This cant qualify as cleaning out a division. its regular form for a contender against has beens.

Liston only fought maybe two rated HWs over the entire '50s, and didn't fight a top 5 contender until 1960.

From Time Magazine:
"Whatever his connections, many boxing buffs see Liston as the U.S.'s most promising challenger for Sweden's Johansson, even though Liston has so far fought only second-raters."
-August 1959 (right after Liston had KO'd Nino Valdes)

true, Liston walked right through patterson and harris but both looked to be caught in the headlamps, offering zero resistance. machen and folley are good wins on paper but not fantastic given Listons weight advantage and fan hysteria.

Like marciano, Liston was a 1950s heavyweight, only 5 pounds heavier on his debut than marciano was for his first fight.