Liston v Tyson

In general I agree. I think people might overestimate their ability to mind-read past fighters to find weaknesses.

 

Tyson was abysmally intimidated by Holy in the second fight...watch the stare down.

No one stares people down like Liston. Watch him. And btw, that means watch more than one fight.

 

So bc his defense wasn't as good as Frazier or ali he was slow and easy to hit? Theres a middle ground there

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yea easy to hit and picking out certain fights awhere he had good head movement doesn't mean he mostly had bad defense and he

looks slow there still so yea easy to hit look at his feet bad movement not spread and his head even though ducking was still like slow and basic outdated movement was nothing like Joe's which looked smooth and never looked like a robot doing it

and his punch speed looks so slow slow with good technique which means easy to read and he looks so sloopy at times

 

Well, I think I've seen at least five (Patterson I & II, Ali I & II, Williams II if memory serves) and bits of Leotis Martin, but it's been a while.

How much evidence is there that staredown intimidation actually has a significant effect on professional boxers? Fans certainly love staredowns, and create threads debating the "most intimidating staredown" and such. But have any professional fighters ever gone on record saying that it was the *staredown* that made the crucial difference in a high level pro fight? (Especially a longer fight lasting more than a round.)

 

they see each other before they get in the ring but they never say that wouldnt that make more sense to be intimated from that instead of just now starting when in the ring

alot of people is so used to saying the same quotes they dont see how dumb they sound

mike didnt look at people much so no he wouldnt be intimidated he never was so that quote means nothing I have seen Mike cautious of a person's power which he never was koed fast

 

Is there a translator?

 

... it's in slow motion, that's why he looks slow in the video. to show off the head movement and angling out.

 

no it's not it's in regular speed stop it

 

If I read his post correctly, I think he's saying:

* Fighters see each other before they enter the ring, but they never mention these pre-ring encounters as being significant.

* If seeing the other guy was really intimidating, you'd expect the pre-ring encounters to be just as important as the staredown. But it isn't, because looking at the other guy just doesn't make much of a difference.

* People tend to repeat boxing soundbites/quotes without thinking about them, which can make the people repeating them sound silly.

* Mike often looked away from people. It doesn't mean he was intimidated.

* Similarly, Mike sometimes was cautious about other fighters' power. But he never got sparked out quickly, so his caution doesn't mean that he was scared of getting hit.


...I think that's what the post is getting at, but moneytheman12 can correct me if I'm wrong.

 

yea that is what I meant which I feel alot of people leave out those reasons boxing is not just oh he is intimated so he loses