Liston versus Holmes

I think Holmes could definilty win.

He hit harder than Ali and was more technical.
He wasn't as fast as Ali though so he may get hit more.

I still take Holmes by a very close UD.

 

Holmes ud. IMO Liston would eat his jab all night. The only issue for Holmes would be is his tendency to swing like there's no tomorrow if he's on the ropes or hurt. And obbviously slugging with Liston isn't advisable.

 

IMO you are too quick or sure to say Larry would go down. He seemed to be able to stay through some pretty rough moments before. Including right after the Shavers knock down. Most people would have fallen right back down after that if they had gotten up in the first place.

 

Problem for Larry in that event is that Liston is another realm in terms of his finishing abilities than Shavers.

 

Firstly, Liston had just blown out Floyd Patterson twice in a row before the first Ali fight.
To dismiss my analysis with a simple wave of a hand and say "oh he was past his prime" is ridiculous, Liston was in his prime, which showed from his two performances prior.

Holmes close UD.

 

Problem for Liston is landing a right like the one Shavers did.

 

Prime Liston would probably win this one. Sonny was really awesome in his best days.

 

I know Liston was much better than Shavers, but IMO his jab wouldn't set much up. IMO he wasn't fast enough to set the punches up. For Holmes, usually you hand to land the bomb from no where right on the button for him to go down. Shavers and Snipes proved that. But yet a guy like Cooney who was an extremly hard hitter, and IMO just as hard a hitter as Liston, couldn't put Larry down, or hurt him. The worst Larry was hurt through out the whole fight was the big low blow Cooney hit Larry with.

 

Liston would damage Larry bad, especially to the body. I don't know if Larry could have made it, he was a tough son of a *****. Put a gun to my head and I'll say Liston KO11.

 

And Larry was really great on his.

 

Problem for Larry is that Liston is capable of hurting you in MANY more ways than Shavers, whether right or left hand.

Liston was a much more accomplished boxer, with a higher and more polished skillset than Shavers. One punch power aside, Liston is a much, much, much more dangerous foe for Larry, than Shavers could ever hope to be.

 

How so? The main difference is Larry wasn't quite as quick as Ali, but he made up for it in power and technical aspects.

 

And I realize that, but IMO Liston wouldn't be able to land the kind of right that Shavers did. Everybody seems to forget Larry's ablity to clear his head very quickly.

 

I know it wasn't a prime Liston, and I know it was a thrown fight. And my question is how was Holmes style nothing like a young Ali's?