Liston vs Foreman in a slugfest.

You don’t think Lewis was ATG?

 

You're mistaken. I was referring to the poster I quoted who said the following about Lewis.

 

Sonny ko's big George in a thunderous brawl.

 

Negative.

Listons claim to fame is starching a glass chinned light heavy twice.............both Frazier and Norton are better than Patterson all day long with both having a winning record against Ali and Foreman bull dozed them like nothing.......and both had more size and a far better chin than Patterson ever had......Foreman fought til the end to WIn against Ali while Liston quit twice when the going got rough...Fact.

 

He beat multiple rated fighters, the only person along with Muhammad Ali to beat a Terrell close to his prime. Only difference is he knocked him out. And he was the #3 rated heavyweight in the world at one point, and drew with the #2 rated heavyweight in the world, in a fight most thought he won. Even Chok, the foremost Williams detractor conceded that at one point Williams was a top fighter.

This is an unsubstantiated myth. From 1956 (his return from the military) up to 1964 (when he was shot) the only person to knock him out was a peak Sonny Liston. Their is no shame in that.

The only guy to KO him before that when he was a 20 year kid, who'd been boxing for but a year, and took the fight on a 2 day notice was monster puncher Satterfield. And even he praised Williams' chin.

"he's got plenty of heart and that's the big thing. I hit him some real hard punches in the second round and he just came back"

Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/510...msTGHDA4kkoOhgjXxbKfW6Ja0z5E6sKHcgwvV_TdLXYZc

"In the second round he stood up under two booming right hands from Satterfield." Source: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/53148333/the-miami-news

You could make a case that after he was shot he was lacking in durability, in which case I'd agree.

1. Clay was not unproven. He was seen as a logical contender for Liston's championship as far back as when Liston first won it. He had victories over rated or previously rated fighters such as Miteff, Cooper, Jones, Johnson, off the top of my head.

2. Ali was far ahead on the scorecards against Foreman, while Liston was dead-even with scores of 58-56, 56-58 and 57-57.

3. The undefeated '64 Ali was much closer to his prime than the '74 Ali who'd already lost twice at that point.

4. Liston was in his mid-30s, fought 6 minutes and 14 seconds in three fights in a 3 year period, didn't train, and went into the bout with a known shoulder injury. Foreman on the other hand was ten years younger than Liston was when they both faced Ali and by his own admission was in the shape of his life.

Foreman had amazing heart, but Liston was no slouch in that department. He fought the better half of a 10 rounder with a broken jaw in only his 7th pro bout. He also demolished the Big Cat after having his nose broken, and KO'd Valdez after shutting his eye. Liston having no heart, is a baseless cliche used only by amateurs such as yourself.

You want to talk about **** backgrounds? I suggest you read more into Sonny's early life. Maybe you'll learn something. Then again, you've been on these boards for 12 years and still dksab so I doubt that.

Liston wasn't the one who had a mental breakdown and retired after every one of his losses (in his first career) and who can forget this?

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Liston proved he was much better under adversity than Foreman who against Lyle, panicked, started breathing heavily, abandoned his chin and jab, and swung for the fences.

 

Did not read.

 

My apologies. I made the mistake of speaking to you like an adult. I forgot to dumb it down and write in crayon specifically for you.

 

In these matchups we are talking about fighters at their best, Foreman got beat by Jimmy Young but I wouldn't bring that up as he wasn't at his best. FYI,,Liston would kill Norton and Liston is all wrong for Joe Frazier but that's beside the point. Foreman would have to back up Sonny to win and a young Foreman said that Sonny was the only man he ever fought in the ring or sparring he couldn't back up and in this fight unlike any in George's career he wouldn't have a strength advantage .George would eat Sonny's jab as his was the first or second best in heavyweight history, Sonny was the better boxer between the two when they were prime and this would be the difference.
Jab..Liston
Power ,,even
Strength,,even
Boxing ability,,,Liston
Stamina,,Liston
Intangibles,,Sonny would not be intimidated by George, I'm not sure of the reverse.

Liston by KO between the 5th and 8th

 

This happened to me, too. I bought a Xtra-PC Pro (I know. Linux can be downloaded free. I preferred doing it this way. The plug in is cheap enough, and it does a lot of the work for me.). Anyway, I set my BIOS to "Legacy" and Boot "from USB Port" and got my Laptop back up on Linux. From there I could import the files from my crapped out WINDOWS 10, using the "File Rez" already on the Xtra PC Pro. I'm not very modern computer literate, really, but it was all pretty easy with a few googles on "how to do this and that."

Added: I bought the Xtra PC Pro on Amazon. I think it was about $35 or so. The stick has its own Memory and is like having a new computer. I'm on it right now. So, if you ever do get your regular Operating System back, you'll basically have two computers in one, depending on how you set your BIOS to boot.

 

Don't even bother with this guy. 12 years and he's yet to make one decent post.

 

This is true I do acknowledge Williams was at one time a top fighter. Indeed the big cat was once even rated #3. But then again Brian London was once rated #2.

 

Can't believe we're in agreement about Cleveland ****ing Williams of all things!

Don't worry, we'll be back at each other's throats soon enough

 

I don’t think this can be proven at all.

sure Sonny can easily counter Foreman, but the Frazier of the first Ali fight? I don’t think so. The angle, range and pace of a peak Frazier was something to behold. He lead with and landed his power shots on a much harder to hit target than Sonny Liston was.

If Frazier is unloading on Liston like Big Cat Williams was able to, whilst crowding him and banging the body as well as the head... don’t get me wrong- it’s still a fight Sonny can win... but absolutely no foregone conclusion.

 

Lol PMS? Sonny whose best win is Patterson is going to beat Foreman toe to toe? he looked great against B level fighters like Williams who threw a few hard punches back but had nothing , Machen who ran all night and a very small Patterson that is it the peak of Liston, crushing glass chinned fighters like the big cat and Floyd Patterson are his best KO's smoke and mirrors like Lenny Lewis.

 

1. He doesn't need to fight toe to toe. He has more tools and is more well rounded than Foreman. His straighter, faster, more compact punches, along with his much better defense, superior adaptability and all around boxing skills will bring him home.
2. Liston's wins over Patterson are among 2 of the best wins in heavyweight history. He decimated and knocked the heavyweight champion out in a round, then to prove it wasn't a fluke did it even easier the next time.

Unfortunately Foreman didn't look nearly as good as the less well-rounded Lyle.

At least Liston beat his slickster in Machen. Foreman didn't fair nearly as well against his in Young.

Two unsubstantiated myths only repeated by amateurs. I've already addressed the case for Williams but as for Patterson he was knocked out by only two men. Both of whom appeared in the Ring's P4P ATG top 100 all time punchers. Once against Ingo, which he avenged in brutal fashion twice. The others against a peak Sonny Liston in which their is no shame in.

He was also stopped on cuts and a bad back against Muhammad Ali, hardly an embarrassment.

He also had an excellent record against very respectable punchers in Ingo, Chuvalo (please watch this fight if you think Patterson had a glass jaw), Bonavena, Quarry, etc.