Liston vs Frazier

I like Fraziers work rate and heart in this one- a prime Frazier FOTC -heart is a big factor here- Liston may hurt or drop Frazier early but Frazier builds up momentum and stops liston by the 8th to 11th rd- pace of the fight is Frazier body head attack- Liston goes down much like he did vs Leotis Martin only a younger version of Liston - Frazier KO in 10

 

There have been more than enough fight reports and interviews turn up to know it's utter shyte even if that does goeagainst your fiercest fantasy.

 

Sonny Liston's whole career is based off him beating glass chin 180 pound Floyd Patterson and slow as molasses Cleveland Williams. Despite the fact what you might of heard from people who know nothing about boxing. Sonny Liston wasn't nearly as skilled as somebody like Foreman. Which is why Foreman was able to fight to he was pushing 50 in a much better era and Liston was done by the time has in his early 40's in a much worse era against much smaller guys. Also don't give me well Foreman said Liston was good or something like that. Foreman says tons of dumb stuff now days trying to be modest.

Frazier wouldn't have been afraid of him and would of broken Liston down and stopped him mid rounds.

 

I can live with Sonny not being decked by a 24lb lighter Marshall who still bloodied his nose and cut Sonnys lip in his 15th fight. I would love to see all the films either way.

 

Or that Martin knocked out Liston with a single punch when film shows us that is clearly not the case.

 

Liston beat 5 top ten ranked contenders before he ko'd Patterson
They lasted a total of 23 rds ,10 of which consisted of Eddie Machen back pedalling



1.Patterson was 189lbs for their 1st fight and 194.5lbs for their 2nd.
2.Williams was not slow .
3.Liston was a much better boxer than Foreman .

 

He didn't win a single round! The spin you put on things positively invites the derision you receive!

 

Right kid. Liston beat 5 contenders who were considered good for his time. None of these guys were considered good by today's standards. Liston beat a guy named Roy Harris a guy who finished his career with 30 wins and 9 KO's. He also turned pro at 175, Eddie Machen was cute. If you honestly believe this 190 pound guy would be considered a world class heavyweight by today's standards then you shouldn't be on this site. Zora Folley was considered a good fighter again for his era. The vast majority of his career he was less than 200 pounds. I never heard anybody even mention him as being a all time great. Wait I know Sonny Liston beat Howard King a guy who had a career record of 42 wins 29 loses? Yeah that proved how great Liston was right?

Cleveland Williams was God awful slow. But he if you say he isn't that means something right? Paterson started his career weighing as low as 164. Sonny Liston was a better boxer than Foreman because you type so. But who are you? A nobody online who doesn't even know anything about boxing.

So my point still stands. Sonny Liston didn't fight anybody worth mentioning besides small 180 pound glass chin Floyd Patterson and slow as molasses Cleveland Williams. Liston's wins were against small guys ( Besides Cleveland Williams) who were afraid of him. Joe Frazier wouldn't afraid of him. Frazier would beat him.

One last thing clueless boxing fan. It is amazing how boxers who faced Foreman throughout his career thought of him as a poor boxer. Amazing right? Ken Norton was good enough to beat Ali all 3 times according to Ali himself. Ken Norton was able to almost beat Larry Holmes when Norton was past his prime. Even slick guys like Gregoria Peralta lost to Foreman twice. Peralta did better in their first fight because Foreman was only boxing for around 8 months when they first fought but Foreman dominated the second fight and stopped him. I could go on and on. I guess every person Foreman beat or stopped in his career just stood there and allowed themselves to be hit. But hey you probably heard Burt Sugar say Foreman couldn't box so it must be true.

Why am I bothering typing to you? Wait I am not anymore.

 

You do know styles matter and Joe is made of Sonny ... Liston would stop him .. a prime Liston with a stunning jab and monster power would be too much for swarmer Joe .. How would beat Sonny H2H from 67 on but not the 1959 vintage.

 

So says this troll alt .. LOL

 

Awwww. I am a troll because I person on a boxing forum typed it. I am so offended by your comment that I will ignore you. But you are used to this. In the real world everybody ignores you too.

 

Stopped reading when you said Liston was a "scared little boy" when Williams hit him and fought back because he was just a "bully". You are aware he fought Williams twice? Bullies with no heart aren't known for giving rematches to guys who stood up to them.

Marty Marshall was not intimidated by Liston in the slightest and actually broke his jaw and fought a trilogy. But wait, that cant be right, according to You he's just a bully who avoids people that can hurt him and fight back.

Williams was not slow, he was very explosive and athletic. You did not watch his fights.

Yes Liston had more ring IQ than young Foreman. Better defense, stamina, jab, more crisp punches, combinations, and better suited for actually winning rounds and decisions if he couldn't get the knockout.

Foreman had slightly more power, a better chin, was a more brutal body puncher and was better at cutting off the ring.

 

styles make fights only for people who think of styles in terms of Rock Paper Scissors And Stone.
Tactics make fights more than styles do. One really does not trump the other. Boxing really dosnt work like that. Swarmers beat sluggers all the time. When they use the right tactics.

I still don’t think it is an easy fight for either man. But a prime Frazier is much more equipped to meet Liston than the impotent, faded version that Foreman made his name against.

Try not to get so confused with Frazier v Foreman, it has no baring on this match. In this match Liston and Frazier are not at Opposite ends of their careers.

Sonny had a monster jab for sure. Very heavy. It worked fabulously on the outside against guys using the upright stance.

Against Frazier I imagine Sonny May have a similar difficulty as Ali had trying to land that jab. And Ali had a faster jab than Liston had.

monster power as demonstrated on Patterson And Harris.. certainly the two highest regarded men Sonny ever knocked out on film ...but both are one size and one level below Frazier for sure because Frazier was as heavy as Sonny and capable of beating much better fighters. Patterson And Harris are not in Frazier’s league.

 

I know he won every round. I can acknowledge it. But a guy can win every round and Labour winning them. It is worth mentioning it when it is a matter of record that Sonny had his lip and nose bloodied by haymakers he took winning all those rounds.

 

We have two great Heavyweights. No need to tear either down or try to diminish them.
Liston and Frazier were both great at their respective peaks.
I think that Sonny has the tools to offset what Joe brings to the table. Power/pressure/volume/relentless aggression/heart.
Liston had the powerjab, his lefthook might've been the best weapon in boxing history outside of Sugar Ray's hook. I think Liston can stop Frazier on the way in with his power and physical strength. Joe may get inside some but he will get the worst of it on the way there.
Liston TKO 5 or 6.