If Ingo had defended against Liston in late Summer of 1960. (Note: From March-Sept 1960, Liston beats / crushes Williams, Harris, Folley, & Machen.) Could Ingo have lasted more than one round against this version of Liston?
No, didn't Igno's manager say if they saw Sonny Liston, they would run the other way on the street? Igno was petrified of Liston and doesn't have the size, or the durability, or the footspeed of a Mahen type to stay away from him. Liston ko. within 2 minutes.
I believe that actual quote was from Henry Cooper's manager. But the conclusion can be applied to both fighters against Liston.
Yeah it was Jim Wicks, Coopers manager. Saying it as it is isn't he, Cooper wouldn't of had to worry about cuts in this one !
i see. I think you are right. I am getting back into boxing after having been away for a few years, so my memory is a bit foggy. Nonetheless, i am sure Igno had offers to fight Liston and avoided it. i can't see how he makes it out of a round
Hard to see him there after two rounds isn't it. Even if Ingo lands his Bingo, that'll turn Liston into beast mode like in the Williams fight. Cleveland landed a monster shot on Sonny and that's where the end started for him, Liston upped his onslaught
Ingo had a lot of holes in his fight game so I think Sonny was the better fighter & would win this fight by KO, that being said I also think Ingo would have been the hardest puncher that Sonny would have faced. Ingo did KO Eddie Machen in one and Machen fought a good 12 with Liston & drew with Big Cat. Ingo also KO'd Patterson & Cooper so would have been interesting to see even for a few rounds
Well, Liston didn't exactly "crush" Eddie Machen ... unless winning a 12-round decision is "crushing" someone. Ingo had crushed Patterson, flooring him seven times. Ingo had crushed Machen in two minutes. And Ingo had crushed Henry Cooper. So Ingo was no slouch. I see Johansson-Liston in 1960 like Foreman-Lyle. I could see Johansson going down a couple times. I could see Liston going down face first like Foreman against Lyle/and Liston did against Leotis Martin. Of course, I could see it going longer than one round. Nobody ever stopped Johansson in a round (can't say the same about Liston). I think it would've been great. An all-time classic slugfest. When Ingo got you hurt, he would let loose with both hands. He was a good finisher. It's too bad we never saw it. Pick'em fight. (Side note: That had to have been the worst referee ever. He lets Ingo tee off on the corner - worse than Cooney-Norton. And he actually counts as Machen is being tended to on the deck after the final knockdown.) This content is protected
Also, I don't think Johansson would've had any problems beating Cleveland Williams, Roy Harris or Zora Folley before or in 1960. Johansson certainly didn't have any trouble beating Machen, or Cooper or Patterson (the first time). Harris, Folley and Williams weren't any better than those guys.
First round knockouts are actually fairly rare at world level, even when the match up facilitates it. I don't think that I would ever bet money on such an outcome.