Liston vs Louis

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  1. McGrain

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    Not possible and not really Liston's style.
     
  2. Quickhands21

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    Not possible.right.Ok Liston would jab his head back for a round or 2 an then take him out.Liston does what shmelling did times 2
     
  3. McGrain

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    If you think that the Liston jab can win it that's not an unreasonable position, but nobody is going to "walk through" Louis's punches. And Liston didn't fight like that. He was most aggressive with hurt or mobile opponents, against cracking punchers he didn't rush things, generally. He didn't have to.

    Personally, I think that Louis is very good at ditching the jab and the length of the Liston punch would work against him IMO.
     
  4. janitor

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    Apart from Liston and Tyson I would give these guys little chance.

    Liston and Tyson are underdogs.
     
  5. janitor

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    You dont seem to understand either Louis's style or Listons style.

    Neither of these guys took a step forward if they could make their oponent do it for them.

    They both specialised in fighting on the back foot and using their oponents forward momentum against them and were deadly at it.

    This might actualy be a snore fest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
     
  6. Muchmoore

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    Louis would beat Holyfield pretty easily, as easy as anyone could beat him anyway.

    I'd make Ali the favorite over Louis but Louis could pull out the upset, in a 3 fight series Louis would definently win one of the rematches.

    Frazier would get battered and stopped by Louis, he'd get nailed coming in and might only last 3 or 4 rounds.

    Lewis-Louis is a tough fight to pick. A jab alone isn't going to beat Louis though like Tua and Tyson. He would need to open up and he might get countered.

    I'd make Louis the favorite here as well against Liston. He could get knocked down and it would be anyones fight for the first 8 rounds but Louis would take it more often than not. Keep in mind Liston is pretty much Joe's size, he isn't a giant.

    Tyson is a bad matchup for Louis in my opinion and blasts him out in about 6. But Louis would be live all the way.

    Foremans defense is far too leaky for a puncher like Louis. Unless he blasts him out early by a massive uppercut the chances are slim.
     
  7. Holmes' Jab

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    I've both down as a very a very close call. Tyson has a chance to get him early, but I don't think he'd quite do it: Louis would brave it out slowly gain the upperhand through the middle rounds onwards and emerge with a decision. Whilst Tyson could knock him down Louis usually recuperated in the blink of an eye, though against a peak Tyson it's a bit dicey to lose focus or get caught big. I've already stated my thoughts on the thread matchup. Make no bones about it, though Louis is going to be tested bigtime by either of these guys and will need to produce a consistently great performance to prevail. There's every chance and I think he would, but ....


    Only two I'd favour against peak Louis is Ali and Holmes. The best a very small cluster of others can get is 50/50. Tunney, Lewis and Johnson are very intriguing matchups.
     
  8. Muchmoore

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    As weird as that sounds regarding a Liston and Louis fantasy match up you're probably right.
     
  9. McGrain

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    There would be very exciting flash-points. Liston drops Louis and then comes for him and Louis fires back would be the best example. But how do you think rounds 11 and 12 would go down in a close 12 round fight, or if Louis felt he was trailing? Get ready.
     
  10. Holmes' Jab

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    Good post and reasons for your picks. I particularly agree with this one. Tyson could put Louis away early, but I can't see it. Louis whilst being knocked down plenty of times was a nightmare to finish off and only with Schmeling (whilst near his peak) was he knocked out, and that was on big accumulation after being hurt real early. He tightened his defensive technique after this and hadn't quite reached his absolute best yet anyway.

    Frazier would indeed be stopped early-mid rounds, Holyfield would be game but broken down and stopped late on. Louis-Lewis is where things get very interesting, however.
     
  11. Muchmoore

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    Exactly what I thought too. Both were very patient and measured fighters contrary to public opinion, but when they had their opponent hurt they pounced and went all out to finish them. The fight overall would probably be a bit slow paced, maybe boring but it would be great in spurts.

    Late in the fight like you mentioned, the action would probably pick up quite a bit with both men looking to get the edge in the fight.
     
  12. Holmes' Jab

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    12 rounds: could be an even fight, maybe a single round in it.

    In a 15 rounder I think it would be a dead heat with three or four to go and Louis would pinch a few of the remainder to take the decision with snappy, well placed combinations. I know either could turn a stoppage or KO on the other but I dare to think otherwise (perhaps foolishly). Both have the heart and durability to brave through the worst of punishment they each dish out to each other, but I think Liston starts to get a little weary that bit earlier.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Yes, in a 15 rounder I favour Louis on the superior economy. I think he could stop Liston late in the day.
     
  14. Muchmoore

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    :good
     
  15. Quickhands21

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    I do understand there styles.Patient clever boxers with big pop.Ive watched enough of them.Louis is one of my alltime favorites,If you took them both out of there era n made a Megafight It might go either way.I don't see Liston being patient in this one.I Think sonny is a bit more advanced also in terms of the era in wwich he learned.