Liston vs Marciano A real anayslis

Honestly no offense guys but I heard some horrible reasons from both sides of why which fighter would win, i was actually very unimpressed with the responses. We had people picking liston to win early cause of Foreman/frazier(a absolute horrible analysis), and one poster even tried to claim cleveland williams had a glass jaw(LOL despite papers describing williams as "tough and durable", and williams was only floored by one fighter ATG puncher liston during a 9 year period 1957-1966...if williams has a glass jaw wlad klitschko must have no jaw!!!).....and then i heard arguements of marciano beating liston because he was "too tough" too much "heart" once again HORRIBLE arguements from both sides.


lets be real boxing analyists here and break this down stylistically shall we......? ok lets proceed




Point 1: i dont see liston stopping marciano. marciano had an amazing ATG chin and he refused to quit no matter what. he had the balls of a navy seal trainee refusing to give up during Hell Week. Marciano never saw stars during his career nor was he staggered badly on film EVER. I think only joe louis and mike tyson guys with combination punching/one punch power/ terrific handspeed are the only ones capable of putting away a marciano.

Point 2: This fight is going the distance. This is not a foreman-frazier type battle.....both foreman and frazier were constant non stop moving forward wicked aggresive fighters causing a clash in styles. NOT SO the case with liston and marciano. Liston was actually quite controlled cool and calm like tom brady in the pocket. Liston almos never attacked his opponent until his opponent "attempted" to open up on him, liston usually loved to sit back on the outside. Marciano was another who was not a predictable bull like dempsey and frazier......marciano loved to patiently move in slowly and surely hiding behind a high gaurd sunk underneath in his tricky crouch trying to figure his opponent out. marciano hardly ever attacked unless he saw an opening. I expect marciano-liston to be fought passivley early as both feel eachother out, and for the fireworks to start around round 3 and 4.... Both marciano and liston have the stamina to fight 15 hard paced rounds and both have shown tremendous ability to fight through pain(liston finished the distance with a broken jaw, and came back to knockout a top contender who broke his nose early........marciano with his nose literally torn off and near bleeding to death knocked out a hall of famer with the fight close to being stopped.)



The FIGHT!!!!


if u watch the films marciano and liston were very patient, passive, cool. they did not wildly bull in, they calculated there opponents out of range and slowly made there way in, marciano liked to sit back and feed off his crouch bending at all angles, and liston liked to sit back and jab his opponents head off. So Like I said this fight starts off slow early with lots of clinching liston trying to indimidate rock and hit with the clinch with rocky never backing down showing hes not scared as he pounds away at listons shoulders and gut. however by round 3 the fireworks start getting going with marciano crashing a looping overhand right off listons head to stun him and send him a wakeup call. Liston retaliates and it turns into a hagler-hearns type round 1....I see liston dropping marciano with a short left hook inside for 3. marciano gets up snorting like a bull and comes back to stagger liston and have him near stoppage toward the end of the round. fans rise out of there seats to cheer. the pace continues in the next 5 rounds with slightly less intensity, with liston really marking up marciano badly with his jab, and marciano breaking liston down with his power punches on the inside. Liston is well ahead though, because he is landing more punches and just as hard punches along with his jab. listons body attack and short hooks and immense strength seem to make marciano unable to be his normal effectiveness on the inside, and he is having trouble getting inside because of listons jab and 84" long arms firing away. The referee goes to rocks corner and tells him if he might stop the fight soon, and rock tells him to go **** himself, that hed kill him if he stops it. Round 10 the tide turns, marcianos wearing down tactics incredible stamina and punchrate start to take over and liston is showing his first signs of real distress. round 12 listons with a swollen face follows his cornera advice of staying on the outside and boxing marciano continueing to land his jab....the pace slows somewhat as both are tired, lots of clinching and wrestling around. marciano and liston are two of the strongest heavyweights we have ever seen and the inside battle is barn burner. Round 14 and 15 are great, liston comes out with a 2nd wind outboxing and outmuscling marciano to win the round and hurt rock with a uppercut. round 15 the fights close but marcianos trainers tells him " you need a knockout to win rock." rocky with everything he has steps up the pace in 15, hurting liston badly in round 15 with a overhand right but with listons size and strength over the past 14 .marcianos arms are tired and weary though and he doesnt pack a knockout punch anymore. and listons heavy jab is less effective as marciano is now dipping ducking slipping the jab in his crouch and pounding away..but liston is knows he needs to see the bell, and it turns into a slugout both throwing everything they got in close quarters and mid range unleashing there artillery both are staggered, and liston gets in one good uppercut at the bell that makes marciano freeze.DING!!!! BELL SOUNDS the fans stand up and roar in approval of a great fight. marciano and liston hug eachother, a new found respect for eachother. The scorecards..........9-6 Liston 8-7 Liston 9-6 for the winner by Unanimous decision........SONNY LISTON!!!



FYI........As for the fools degrading competition, both liston and marciano cleaned out their division more than any heavyweight champion in history arguebably. both not only beat, but DOMINATED 4 out of the top 5 heavyweights of there era....and while marciano beat great fighters and # 1 contenders, liston beat very talented top contenders in their mid 20s at the peak of there careers coming off great win streaks. you cant ask for more from either of them.

 

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1. Notice how I picked liston to floor marciano during the fight. also take note marciano was only down for flash knockdowns unfazed, he was right back up at the count of 2..and the moore knockdown was an off balance issue.

2. You mention "hurt". when did you ever see marciano hurt on film?

 

Never had too. however he went 12 fast paced rounds vs eddie machen without tiring

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if we go with ur logic, then how come u give jack dempsey a 50% chance vs liston? doesnt make sense considering what firpo did to dempsey, liston was far greater puncher better accuracy and better boxer than firpo?

archie moore was the all time knockout king, when he landed the end WAS near. not to mention moore and walcott put marciano down for brief flash counts, marciano unfazed just off balance and angry caught with fast pinpoint shots. joe louis 6'2 215lb landed a flush left hook at the end of round 1 that marciano took very well.