Liston vs Marciano?

It is not much to go on is it? Hardly two great fighters are they? Both taking Liston to the brink...

How many great fighters owe their signature examples of fortitude to opponents who did not bother any other rated heavyweights?

 

Williams kod Terrell and I would have picked him to ko Patterson if he had got the chance.
Williams never at any time in two fights, looked like stopping or dropping Liston.

Marshall didn't take Liston to the brink he got a decision because Liston was fighting with the handicap of a broken jaw. In two rematches Liston thoroughly trounced him.
Marciano was taken to the brink by Keene Simmons was he a great fighter? Did he bother other rated heavyweights?

 

D'Amato would have never let Patterson in the ring w Williams, a terrible match up for Floyd ...

 

Don't you know it!

 

Ingo was a better fighter than Williams. In fact hurricane Jackson was too. Williams was Listons contender not Patterson's anyway.

 

Nah, it's another thread. What win puts Williams in line for a crack at the title?

Patterson could smoke the same dudes Satterfield did.

Floyd won't freeze for WIlliams.

 

Only if Mcvey is..

 

Rocky wears Liston down takes him out 9-10th rd

 

31-1 Williams was destroyed by Bob Satterfield, I think Ingo was a far greater risk for Floyd, Williams had the body but not impressed with his resume

 

Williams took Liston to the brink of getting pissed off enough to knock him the **** out.

 

Twice!

 

When Williams was 20 years old, coming in as a last-minute substitute, and weighed around 10 pounds less than he did in his prime. In fact Liston was the only man to clearly defeat Williams when he was anywhere close to his prime - his only other loss was a split decision to Ernie Terrell which could as easily have gone the other way (the AP scored it for Williams).

When he got shot in 1964, Williams was signed up for a very winnable rubber match against Terrell for the vacant WBA title.

 

What wins showed
Rademacher
London
Harris
McNeeley
Deserved shots?
Williamd had beaten rated John Holman.
Williams was a late sub in both the Satterfiled and second Terrell fights.btw

 

Williams was never in the running for a title shot during the Floyd-ingo era. No way ingo, London or Harris bumped Williams out of a crack at Floyd. Why that would be pure revisionism!

This is the time line:

After Rocky retired, Moore, who beat #1 valdes and #2 baker was the established #1 heavyweight. Baker beat valdes then Jackson beat Baker. This made Jackson and Moore the best two heavyweights in the world. Floyd knocked out both.

As champion Floyd had to rematch Jackson because he only squeaked past him in the eliminator. He knocked him out. By this time he had knocked out both Moore and Jackson there was no no one else. Not Liston, not Williams, there was no one else.

Floyd took the radmacher farce as an extra fight weeks after the Jackson win. Machen did not look like a good contender until he matched the Jackson result months later and because he drew with Foley Floyd was kind of forced to take unbeaten Harris over the two of them.

The next year Floyd took two fights within 3 weeks London and #1 Johansson. The timing was never right to fight either machen or Foley. After their draw Foley went away and lost to Cooper and machen lost to ingo, that's how ingo got the shot instead. London got the crack on account of beating pastrano but Cooper should have went ahead of London. Problem was at that time Cooper had not yet beat a rated American so they picked London because he had.

Where was Williams going to fit into all this? He did not get a rating until much later, after both Liston fights in fact.