Liston vs. Shavers - Who's the better puncher?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by reznick, May 11, 2016.


  1. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

    7,054
    376
    Dec 19, 2009
    Shavers punched harder but Liston was a much better fighter.
     
  2. adokei

    adokei Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,864
    158
    Feb 28, 2016
    ali said shavers
     
  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,674
    7,654
    Dec 31, 2009
    The answer is Liston. Sonny was a better puncher because he got more out of his punch. More expertise and precision.

    Ernie hit like hell, no doubt about it. Perhaps Shavers hit even harder, but it does not make him the better puncher. Sonny at his best is landing more times so that is "more effective world class power".

    All you need is world class power. The better puncher is the guy with the most effective World class power..and that is Sonny Liston. By some margin.
     
  4. Knights107

    Knights107 Member Full Member

    450
    211
    Aug 13, 2015
    Yes.. The Greats could finish :D
     
  5. Anubis

    Anubis Boxing Addict

    5,802
    2,039
    Jun 14, 2008
    Henry Clark said Shavers. Bill McMurray said Shavers after Earnie retired Bill in less than a round. Took Sonny four rounds to do the trick. Ali, Clark and McMurray are three common opponents I've been able to identify between Liston and Shavers.
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

    27,674
    7,654
    Dec 31, 2009
    That is good research. :good

    Imagine the bad luck of having a boxing career that overlaps both fighters and you wind up being knocked out by both guys?

    You get knocked out by the first one, I doubt the punch resistance is as good by the time you meet the other and vice versa.

    I think those guys were asked "who it harder" rather than who was the better puncher.

    All you need is world class power. They both had it in spades. The better puncher is the guy with the most effective World class power..and that is Sonny Liston. By some margin.
     
  7. Alexandrow Vids

    Alexandrow Vids Active Member Full Member

    505
    241
    Oct 28, 2014
    Sonny Liston by far the better Boxer and better (overall) Puncher

    Earnie Shavers hits harder

    Liston would be nearly invincible if he had the force of Shavers.
     
  8. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

    52,793
    44,416
    Apr 27, 2005
    I really don't think he was that far behind. He had murderous power.
     
  9. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

    13,316
    11,707
    Mar 19, 2012
    Liston was the harder puncher and the better puncher.
     
  10. foreman&dempsey

    foreman&dempsey Boxing Addict banned

    4,805
    148
    Dec 7, 2015
    get out of my view pathetic clown
     
  11. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

    41,974
    4,029
    Sep 22, 2010
    shavers hit harder, he was stronger.

    but liston put them together way more deadly.
     
  12. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

    41,974
    4,029
    Sep 22, 2010
    bear in mind that that was ageing ali trying to sell his increasingly questionable hold on the title that would become apparent in 76.
     
  13. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    12,714
    3,455
    Jan 6, 2007
    Shavers probably "one punch"......but Liston just beat the ch!te out of people with numerous very hard punches. (Liston stated CWilliams hit as hard as he did FYI).

    Watching numerous Liston fights, Liston seemed to fight fairly, by the rules, which seems in opposition to the claims of illegal use of foreign substances in the Clay, Machen, & Williams (?) fights. Liston, an ongoing enigma.
     
    swagdelfadeel likes this.