liston vs the douglas that beat tyson.....

I would take Liston by decision better fighter with more experience, Douglas would make it interesting but, I feel Liston is just too good to be upset here. Douglas used his jab to dominate against Tyson and here that is never going to happen. Apart from maybe Holmes, Liston has the best Heavyweight jab taking everything into account in my opinion.

Also I think Liston would beat him on the inside, with brutish strength and power in close quarters.

I take into account Douglas' heart and will assume he lasts the distance for a Liston UD12 in an 8-4 type decision.

 

Liston!

 

Liston TKO9. Douglas didn't face adversity in the ring well. In a war with Liston, he'd wilt.

 

Douglas!

Don't forget when Liston finally faced some adversity--Ali--first he got out the liniment, then he QUIT altogether.

*****-bully when the going got tough.

 

Liston.

Because, Douglas wouldnt have that much of a size advantage over Liston like he did Tyson.
Douglas was pumped for the fight, but Liston would soon bring him back to his senses, Tyson didnt because he was lazy and overconfident.

Douglas enjoyed the long reach over Tyson, he doesnt have that here.

NOTHING Douglas did in tokyo against Tyson would apply here apart from heart and desire.

Heart and desire which increased when he realised the man in front of him was a sitting duck, Liston wouldnt give Dougie that oppurtunity.

Liston does everything better than Douglas, and Douglas doesnt have any size or each advantage like he did against Tyson.

And when Douglas knows the heat is on, he would crumble

 

good post.
However, I don’t think Tyson was anymore lazy and over confident than in other title fights that he won. I agree that Douglas was encouraged by his own success in isolating Tyson as a sitting duck. Douglas also enjoyed his reach against Tyson more than he would have with LIston but Douglas was just as clever with his footing and feinting and that could bother sonny also.

Tyson was able to beat many world class fighters with 82'' reach like Holmes, green, ribalta, biggs and truth williams. what bothered Tyson against douglas was the feints that he bought against buster. The slick footing combined with driven on-top- form of douglas was more than Tyson had experienced before and this IMO would do for Liston also.

Liston was some fighter against machen, showing great pace to go with that power and reach but was against a slippery eel in survival mode that night. burt whitehurst stopped sonny in his tracks a few times with sharp right hands. burt did not have a comparable reach or such a command of centre ring as douglas showed against a rampaging Tyson. I think douglas with his greater use of distance could time one of listons leading jabs and lure him into long range traps.

 

Sonny takes Buster apart, Buster is busted up tko 11rds

 

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I am only going to say that Double P has been solid gold in this thread, and for that, I thank him.

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Excellent point!!! :good

No offense to Buster, but I am amazed how easily people forget that Tyson was the "small guy" in Tokyo.

Douglas had an impressive height and reach advantage over Mike and that was a considerable advantage further exacerbated by Douglas' smart and skilled fighting and Mike's lack of focus and out of shape.

Against Liston, Douglas is not going to have any of those advantage: a prime, focused Liston means big problems for Buster because the "small guy" (Liston) is not going to be fooling around, has a pretty similar reach and considerable firepower.

Liston by late stoppage :yep

 

Tyson was able to beat many world class fighters with 82'' reach like Holmes, green, ribalta, biggs and truth williams. what bothered Tyson against douglas was all the feints that he bought. The slick footing combined with driven on-top- form of douglas was more than Tyson had experienced before and this IMO would do for Liston also.

Douglas also enjoyed his reach against Tyson more than he would have with LIston but Douglas was just as clever with his footing and feinting and that could bother sonny also.

 

Yes, alot of people seem to forget this.

This fight was basically a big, well conditioned fighter with lots of desire vs a small lazy punch bag

The more i look at this fight, the more i believe Tokyo Douglas was just a myth.

 

strange that Tyson beat so many other tall fighters then? tucker, biggs, green, ribalta, savarese, truth williams, reggie gross...

 

Plus the lateral movement, uppercuts, 2 handed ability, pure speed (who was as quick), in fighting ability, ability to tie him up

 

Nobody is denying Douglas' achievement. But fact is that Tokyo Tyson was not exactly in the best physical and mental shape.

A focused sharp Tyson was able to defeat bigger men many times because his amazing boxing skills allowed him to overcame his disadvantages in reach and height. However in Tokyo, Tyson was kind of down and that somehow allowed Buster to take maximum advantage of being the "bigger" guy.

Against Tyson, Buster was the big guy against a small out of shape guy
Against Liston, Buster would be the big guy against a not-so-small sharp and focused guy


BTW I am still pissed off with Buster for being literally a one-hit-wonder. After Tokyo I was sure he was aimed to be an ATG ..... boy, I was wrong