Not in your 100?? I belive Gene Fullmer should be there some were in the top 100 lol. Villa should make the top 100 also.
There are so many guys I feel uncomfortable about excluding, and those two are definitely in that bunch. Really, you could make good cases for half the guys I listed being in the top 100.
Hahah, not even after looking at the extended versions of his fights, lol. Have you had a look at them by the way? If his career wasn't cut so short i think he would have taken his place amongst the top 100. His talent is undeniable.
:huh This seems a bit inconsistent. Why would Marciano rank higher than Jeffries at heavyweight, but lower pound-for-pound? Jeffries was considerably bigger than Marciano.
Not yet, still recorded some DVDs to working DVD's. I got the Jake Lamotta DVD recorded. They may be on one of the non working DVDs of the 4.
Its on the working disk, Question, there are some fights I cant id on that disk with the Longer versions of the Darcy fights. It has Louis Lewis also. Can you give me a run down on that disk?
NOTE: This list is excluding guys who are still active and near the top or who still have numerous opponents who are active and near the top, because those guys' rankings are heavily in flux. Guys like the Klitschkos and Tua will eventually have a place on this list, but I will wait for them and the majority of their major opponents to retire or drop out of the picture before I feel like I have a fairly clear picture of where they fall overall. My current top 50 heavyweights of all time- 1. Muhammad Ali 2. Joe Louis 3. George Foreman 4. Rocky Marciano 5. Joe Frazier 6. Larry Holmes 7. Jack Dempsey 8. Jim Jeffries 9. Jack Johnson 10. Evander Holyfield 11. Sonny Liston 12. Mike Tyson 13. Lennox Lewis 14. Jersey Joe Walcott 15. Ezzard Charles 16. Floyd Patterson 17. Riddick Bowe 18. Gene Tunney 19. Max Schmeling 20. Sam Langford 21. Ingemar Johansson 22. Ken Norton 23. Max Baer 24. Jack Sharkey 25. Jerry Quarry 26. Bob Fitzsimmons 27. Harry Wills 28. Archie Moore 29. Jess Willard 30. Elmer Ray 31. Jim Corbett 32. Tim Witherspoon 33. Mike Spinks 34. Tom Sharkey 35. Joe Jeanette 36. Jimmy Ellis 37. Sam McVey 38. Jimmy Bivins 39. Eddie Machen 40. Peter Jackson 41. Ike Ibeabuchi 42. Billy Conn 43. Roland LaStarza 44. Ray Mercer 45. Ron Lyle 46. Jimmy Young 47. Jim Braddock 48. Primo Carnera 49. Billy Miske 50. Michael Moorer Some guys who just missed making the list: Zora Folley, Buster Douglas, George Godfrey, Tommy Burns
And, having a somewhat embarrassing amount of free time on my hands, I've added up all 50 guys' records against other fighters on the list (in order from best to worst): 1. Rocky Marciano 8-0 2. Gene Tunney 2-0 3. Lennox Lewis 3-0-1 4. Jim Jeffries 7-1 5. Muhammad Ali 14-3 6. Jack Johnson 9-2-1 7. Joe Louis 11-3 8. Harry Wills 18-5-2 9. Sonny Liston 4-2 10-11. Riddick Bowe, Mike Spinks 2-1 12. Evander Holyfield 6-3-1 13. Jack Dempsey 4-2-1 14. Ezzard Charles 11-6 15. Joe Frazier 6-4 16. Jimmy Young 3-2 17. George Foreman 4-3 18. Larry Holmes 4-4 19. Ken Norton 3-3 20-21. Ingemar Johansson, Max Baer 2-2 22-23. Jim Braddock, Jess Willard 1-1 24. Jack Sharkey 3-4 25. Sam Langford 15-20-11 26. Jersey Joe Walcott 5-7 27-30. Mike Tyson, Max Schmeling, Elmer Ray, Tom Sharkey 2-3 31. Floyd Patterson 4-7-1 32. Archie Moore 4-7 33. Michael Moorer 1-2 34-35. Bob Fitzsimmons, Jimmy Ellis 2-4 36. Joe Jeanette 6-13-8 37. Sam McVey 5-12-5 38-40. Primo Carnera, Ray Mercer, Eddie Machen 1-3 41. Jerry Quarry 2-7-1 42. Ron Lyle 1-5 43. Jimmy Bivins 2-10 44. Billy Miske 0-2-1 45. Peter Jackson 0-1 44-48. Roland LaStarza, Billy Conn, Tim Witherspoon 0-2 49. Jim Corbett 0-4 50. Ike Ibeabuchi 0-0
Sure: Georges Carpentier vs. Frank Klaus Dick Tiger vs. Joey Giardello III Les Darcy vs. Jim Clabby Les Darcy vs. Dave Smith Tony Canzoneri vs. Jimmy McLarnin Fritzie Zivic vs. Kid McCoy Joe Louis vs. John Henry Lewis
Pound-for-pound: 1. Henry Armstrong 2. Harry Greb 3. Ray Robinson 4. Benny Leonard 5. Ezzard Charles 6. Willie Pep 7. Roberto Duran 8. Archie Moore 9. Joe Gans 10. Barney Ross
He was no slouch, but surely he can't be ranked above an incredible undefeated sensation like Eddie! Why, it seems practically the entire welterweight division (literally) was ducking him for nearly four straight years!