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I suppose it depends on how much emphasis you put on those type of 'intangibles' because when it comes to resume and fighting ability, I don't think he merits a top 100 spot myself.

 

Fitzsimmons beat Nonpareil Jack Dempsey for the Middleweight Championship, then beat Jim Corbett for the Heavyweight Championship while weighing 16 pounds less than Corbett, then won the Light Heavyweight Championship. He beat guys who weighed alot more than him and fought well into his fourties winning titles at that time. Thats why.

They're both better than Pep

 

No he does not; but as pioneer who brought popularity to the sport in western Europe, where he was a was a sporting hero as well as being a worldwide superstar, he had few peers. And his achievements going up the weights are without precedent, and unlikely to be broken or indeed equalled anytime soon.

 

Robinson and Ali and Greb are above Fitz , no doubt. Robinson beat the best in a golden era of MWs when past his best.

Pep is better than both Dempseys aswell

 

Expert analysis on why they're better I applaud your ability to pick apart the minute details and create a convincing agrument.

Pep never fought guys 15 pounds heavier than himself both the Dempsey's did and they won while doing it.

 

Please, explain why Jack Dempsey and Jim Jeffries are above Muhammad Ali.

 

They both had better skills than he did. Sure his style worked for him, but he had little defense other than jump out of the way and lay on ropes and get punched in the body. While I admit to Ali being faster than both (though with Jefferies it might not be true, the guy ran a 10 second 100m) with faster hands, but thats it. Both of them hit way harder and both had chins comperable to Ali's. Also they both had very good defensive skills to match thier offensive capabilites. And, both of them beat men comperable to Ali, Jefferies beat Corbett, Dempsey outboxed Tommy Gibbons after a long layoff and when out of his prime caught Gene Tunney one of the greatest pure boxers of all time.

 

Yea, Jeffries only got his nose smashed and cheekbone broken by a shorter and lighter opponent.

 

And Ali only got smashed and hammered into the canvas by a shorter and lighter opponent.

 

... Didn't get his bones broke by a supermiddleweight though, did he. So much for Jeffries' defence.

 

Your talking about Bob Fitzsimmons the former BLACKSMITH that will make you stronger than hell. Besides look at his upperbody to lowerbody proportionality, the dudes upperbody is comprable to any heavyweights. Besides, Jefferies won that fight, proving that he has a chin from hell.

 

No, it proves he has a shite defence and a high tolerance for pain, but not necessarily a great chin. If Lamon Brewster took the punches of Jeff Lacy, would you start saying he has the best chin of all time?

 

He took the punches on the face and didn't get KO'd from Bob Fitzsimmons that is one hell of a chin. And, no I didn't say he had the best chin of all time (though it is a good one).

 

Why is it impressive to you that Jeffries took the punches of Fitzsimmons? He should have been avoiding them or knocking Fitzsimmons out. Imagine if he was faced by a harder hitting, more durable fighter like Sonny Liston.

 

If i didn't know better i'd think there was an alias in here