Lists Please!!!!!

Top 10 HW:

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Larry Holmes
4. Lennox Lewis
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Sonny Liston
7. Joe Frazier
8. Mike Tyson
9. Jack Johnson
10. Evander Holyfield

 

Stupid comparison.

15 pounds for Pep (a feather) is a huge difference. 15 pounds, while a significant difference, is much more overcomeable for a heavyweight.

 

Top 10 at MW:

1. Marvin Hagler
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
4. Roy Jones Jr
5. Benard Hopkins
6. Harry Greb
7. Stanley Ketchel
8. Marcel Cerdan
9. Mickey Walker
10. Bob Fitzsimmons

 

Top 20 at WW:

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Jose Napoles
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Kid Gavilan
6. Tommy Hearns
7. Emile Griffith
8. Mickey Walker
9. Barney Ross
10. Joe Walcott

HM's: Pernell Whitaker, Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran and Carmen Basilio.

 

Tho it doesn't reach 20 that's a superb list man.

 

Thanks mate, I don't think Napoles really gets the level of credit he deserves, he's truely underrated (especially these days) and is just a tad below the two Robbo's IMO. The mid-portion of the list is a close call.

I'm a huge fan of Benitez by the way. He was very impressive on film: was fundamentally very good, supremely skilled, had very respectible power and was masterful defensively. A beast head-to-head too IMO, he just misses out on my 'elite' 10. Great fighter and true gent.

 

Napoles is indeed as smooth as butter. Brilliant skills and great fighter.

Benitez gets a bit underrated mowadays, indeed.

 

No, your trying to use that he got his face broken by a middleweight to show that Jim wasn't a good fighter, I'm pointing out that Fitzsimmons, one of the hardest hitters in heavyweight history, wasn't able to knock him out. In case you forgot, he did knock Fitzsimmons out. Once again in case you forgot, he also only lost once and that was too Jack Johnson when he was out of his prime and out of practice.

 

Since when did weight become exponential as opposed to linear? Besides, the only heavyweight we're talking about here is the one who overcame a 65 pound weight desparity.

 

I also forgot that Jeffries carried a large brown bear on his shoulders from British Columbia to New Orleans before beating it to a pulp with his 'bear' hands.

 

atsch

Why do you think there are weight classes for every 8 pounds or so in the lower divisions, but from lightheavyweight it's 15 pounds per new division?



Do you think a 815 pound bear has a significant advantage over an 800 pound bear ?


And yeah, he overcame 65 pound weight disparity, against a 37 year old fighter with horrible skills, who was overweight and had been inactive for nearly 3 years.

 

Overcame is not the first word that springs to mind for me.

 

That was dutch-english, i.e. literally translating the words and assuming it works.

 

But Ali was knocked down, and might have been TKO'd if not for Dundee's tricks by a shorter, and lighter oppoent too.