Lists Please!!!!!

Actually Jeffries did fight a bear once.

Read the link:

[url]http://www.antekprizering.com/jeffriesbear.html[/url]

 

He got battered by a bear cub. I knew that already.

 

Bob Fitzsimmons had a pet lion called Nero.

 

It appears the bear won rather easily, though. It is interesting, if Jeff is just not making things up, that Fitz sews up the wound rather than calling a physician in right away. Animal bites are always very grave threats for infection.

 

I do not think the doctors of the time washed or cleaned their instruments as they do today. They were mostly ignorant to infections, and diseases form open wounds.

The story does mention worry of infection though. What amazes me is Jeffries and Fitzsimmons became friends after Fitzsimmons alleged glove-tampering incident in their last fight. It is an aqcuation that some of Fitz’s handlers admitted, and Fitzsimmons himself never denied it.

Perhaps a common bond the two had is neither liked Corbett. Corbett was a bit of an ass, a crybaby, and a loud mouth.

Sorry to go off track in a lists type of thread.

 

I don't believe the glove story. Believe it or not, there were papers really pushing the idea that the Jeff-Fitz fight of 1902 was a fix despite the brutal punishment Jeff took. I think Jeff came up with the glove story to deflect this type of cynicism and Fitz understood. I don't believe Jeff would have knowingly allowed Fitz to load his gloves and it seems unlikely the two of them would have become good friends afterward.

 

If you are talking about the first Cooper fight, it is a myth. The BBC re-run the orginal live feed and proved that the actual gap between the rounds was 1 minute and 10 seconds, and Ali/Clay's glove was not changed.

 

Absoltue BS. I have seen Dundee on inteview right after the fight, and he clealry says there is a 3-4 minute delay between rounds.
Dundee says a person was sent back to look for a new glove, but none was found, so they used the gloves they had.

Furthermore, Dundee cheated by using smelling salts ( which can be seen on flim ) to wake Ali up. Smelling salts are illegal in Brittish boxing.

Dundee also entered the ring to help escort Ali to his corner. I'm not sure if this was legal or not.

 

The BBC played the live feed; the gap between the round lasted 70 seconds; watch the next time ESPN show it (Channel 442). It is a myth that benefits nearly everyone, so everyone played along.

 

Scientifically speaking smaller guys have a far greater strength to size ratio than big men, which makes up for the fifteen pound weight differences. To be perfectly honest, while I tend to consider beating heavier men consistantly to be a good measure for P2P, I don't consider 15 Ilbs to matter as much as skill or just strength in general.

 

Didn't think of this till now, Nonpareil Jack Dempsey was a lightweight and he beat guys who outweighed him by 25 pounds

 

I fail to see how a rumor of cheating helps angelo dundee and muhammad ali. Care to clarify?

 

It is VERY inconsistent! I scanned through the thread, and the only reasoning for it that I ever discovered is that the rater must have changed "this or that, at one time or other". What the change was based upon, and why they are still posting things they now, MAY, believe to be incorrect is a great mystery to me.

Maybe I should post a bunch of lists that don't match and see what the response would/should be

 

I said nearly everyone. Dundee made his name off of it in this country. The mainstream fan knows him as the Ali trainer who ripped his glove to save his fighter from a KO. Which at best is a half truth. Dundee always brought this up in interviews in this country, when flogging books or his fighters; that is how he benefitted.

Even indirectly Ali benefits from publicity, remember theory there is only one think worse than bad publicity......... none!

 

Big deal. Jack Dempsey (the HW) beat guys who outweighed him by 60 pounds!!!!!!!!