Live Fast, Die Young: The Life and Times of Harry Greb

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  1. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I place Tunney ahead of those guys. My post wasn't in reference to his abilities as a fighter. Just his safety-first approach to picking and choosing, then stacking the deck.

    I now have the Greb-Tunney series 4-1 in Greb's favor. And that ain't no lie. :smoke
     
  2. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ive got it 3-2. I think Greb legitimately lost the third fight by a whisker. I think it was closer than history remembers. He won the 1st, 2nd, and 4th. He clearly lost the fifth but Tunney hadnt won a round of the first three before Greb reinjured the rib that Tiger Flowers broke and went into survival mode. He was ready to fight Tunney again in early 1926 when Tunney opted instead to face the easier Young Stribling and then hedged his bets completely, electing to stay inactive until he faced Dempsey.
     
  3. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Interesting, because in the book it seems as if you favored Greb in the 3rd fight, citing the fans booing Gene, etc. Did I misread/misinterpret?
     
  4. Chuck1052

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    As someone who is a native of Montana, I have been interested in the history of boxing in that state. While looking at early 1920s newspapers on microfilm, I noticed that people at local Montana American Legion Posts staging boxing shows dealt with boxing people from Minnesota for about two years before the bout between Jack Dempsey and Tommy Gibbons took place. As a result, I wonder what would have happened if Harry Greb, not Gibbons, was from Minnesota.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
  5. Stonehands89

    Stonehands89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Live Fast, Die Young" is a tome! Mine came in the mail yesterday and I started reading it this morning.

    The cover looks great and it would look good on a mantle, so long as the mantle is sturdy because this is one big book.

    --And I'll be reading every damn word because you are THE authority on Greb.

    It starts off with a beautiful treatment of working class life in Pittsburgh in the late 19th century. Very well done and I have to say that your decision to include so many photographs in lieu of film was very wise. It brings you closer to the period, the men, the events.

    I'll be reading this one at red lights.
     
  6. Surf-Bat

    Surf-Bat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm nearing the end and I must admit, I'm a bit depressed that the ride is almost over.
     
  7. the_bigunit

    the_bigunit Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Just got my copy and started reading. Phoenomenal job, here.

    I figured all of the "Looks like a textbook" anecdotes were, well, just that, hyperboles or embellishments. But ****, here I go, it's a freaking textbook!!

    I'm 2 chapters in and these tough-as-**** body-ruining Pittsburgh regional ranks almost remind me of the hellacious Mexico ranks that have produced so many warriors.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Gets kinda sad after the Walker fight. You know what's coming. Oh well, 700 pages on Choynski is beckoning after some non-boxing reading....
     
  9. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This might interest you so....;

    Choynski, quoted in 1918.

    "Leonard? Pretty fair, but not in the
    same class with Gans, Erne or McFadden. Isn't set when he hits. Has his
    right foot off the floor when he punches
    No foundation. Fighters can't hit when
    they aren't set. He's the best lightweight of a bad lot. That let's him out."
    "What do you think of Mike Gibbons?" he was asked.
    "Fancy boxer, but hasn't the right
    spirit," replied Joe. "His style is not
    bad, but he can't hit. Jabs, jabs, jabs.
    No hooks, no uppercuts, no right
    crosses. Footwork fair. Better ring
    general than the rest. No chance with
    Tommy Ryan. Billy West or Kid McCoy.
    They would cut him to pieces.
    "Ted Lewis? Jumping jack. Can't
    see him. I tell you they're a bunch of
    ham and egg fighters. Too bad they weren't around In the old days. They
    would have made good punching bags
    for real fighters. Greb is positively a clown."
     
  10. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    About what I expect.
     
  11. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Its what I would expect from him after Greb slaughtered his fighter George Hauser. His assessment of Mike Gibbons is completely refuted by the film footage. Gibbons mixed up his punches extremely well. Kid Lewis was fantastic as well and calling Leonard "fair" LOL.
     
  12. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This quote may be easy to miss because it comes before the end of the discussion of the fight:

    "While the difference of opinion is notable, it is equally notable that many of those papers who had felt Greb was robbed against Tunney in their previous engagement now agreed with the decision which illustrates that Tunney was likely the deserved victor this time around in a bout far more competitive than history now remembers."
     
  13. Chuck1052

    Chuck1052 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    My copy of Steve Compton's biography of Harry Greb has arrived. I was completely unprepared for the massiveness of the book. While I have not read it (how could I within such a short time?), I can tell everyone that the biography raises the bar when it comes to boxing books. To say the least, it is well-worth the money.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
  14. dpw417

    dpw417 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree. Through this effort, Klompton has done a great service to boxing fans telling the story of this great fighter.:good:good
     
  15. Turner72

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    How can it be well worth the money if you say you haven't read it? :?

    Do you judge a book by it's cover? :nut