Living in the shadows ...

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  1. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    GoldenBoy Promotions head promoters in each region has had trouble with living in the shadows of other fighters. Recently that has played a part in making good quality fights between present elites and future elites. Because these particular fighters have had to pay their dues to get to where they're at, it makes it only harder to make a big fight, that is fan friendly.

    Bernard Hopkins - living in the shadow of Roy Jones Jr.

    Shane Mosley - living in the shadow of his business partner Oscar De La Hoya.

    Juan Manuel Marquez - living in the shadow of former mexican legends, Marco Antonio Barerra and Eric Morales.

    It sucks but at the same time, thats a part of life ... I think these fighters need to come to grips with their careers coming to an end and instead of tryring to cash out, should be looking to escape the shadows of the fighters that have haunted them for a majority of their careers.

    I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for those to cash out by taking some good fan friendly fights and moving their way up the ladder _ earning some big money fights, instead of fighting off the past accomplishments or their names as elite fighters in the game.

    others that fall in this category: Winky Wright ... (add some if you have an idea who might fall in this category)

    Thoughts?????
     
  2. fitzgeraldz

    fitzgeraldz And the new Full Member

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    Roy Jones Jr ... still trying to live off of his name --


    Alot of these guys (outside of RJJ) would price themselves out of a big fight, not because they deserve it but because they're looking to take advantage.

    It makes no sense for Hopkins who isn't and who has never been a PPV draw asking for the lion share of a purse because he was an undisputed champion at some point in time.

    Shane, is still living off of that Oscar win ... and now has moved it to the Magarito win, as if Margarito was major player, ignoring the loss to Cotto ...
     
  3. evalistinho

    evalistinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    hatton still lives off his win over Kostya Tszyu.
     
  4. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    Mosley has exceeded DLH in accomplishments. He already beat him twice. And was able to recapture a major title by beating number 1 (Margarito) ten years later. Something that DLH has been trying to do but keeps coming up short (Mayweather, Pacman).
     
  5. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    shane went from behind oscar to behind floyd
     
  6. Charlie

    Charlie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What you say is true but cashing out really isn't a problem even now for the oldies you have mentioned because they could still school most of the fighters in their division, fair play to the lot of them.
     
  7. KayEpps

    KayEpps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Did he say that B-Hop shouldn't ask for the Lion Share of a fight? That would depend on whom he's fighting. After betting the #1 Light Heavyweight in Tarver - he went on to beat Winky - Lose to Calzaghe - and beat the HELL out of the #1 Middleweight in the World. So - if he decides to fight Adamek - he shouldn't get the Lion's Share - when Adamek hasn't fought anyone accomplished since beating a very gamed Cunningham?

    As for Mosley - he's been as fair as it gets. He's only been calling for the biggest and best fights out there. He hasn't asked for the Lion's Share of any of the fights that he wanted. He was willing to take 60-40 or 65-35 for the fight with Pac. Pretty sure he would have done the same with Mayweather -but these guys don't want to fight him. And you can't blame him for not wanting to fight the up-and-comers - when he's an established-household name.

    Neither of these guys may be big PPV draws - but they make some pretty good fights. Well - B-Hop has started to come around. I guess at the end of his career - he's more offensive than cautious - and it's been very entertaining.

    These guys earned their spots and with only a little bit of time left on their careers - let them make their money and hopefully in the process - we'll get some pretty good fights out of it.

    Hopkins vs. Adamek would be very nice downtown, Newark, NJ. Can't see why it won't do a great gate and be nice for HBO.

    Mosley vs. Mayweather/PacMan would be a nice HBO PPV show - but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. Look like he'll have to settle for Clottey - unless they just scrap the Pavlik/Williams fight and HBO will have about $3mil to make the fight with Berto.

    Too bad neither will be in a very big fight until next year.
     
  8. KayEpps

    KayEpps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cotto lives in Tito's Shadow - but he's working to get out of it.

    Think it's a PR thing - they love their Island Hero.
     
  9. fitzgeraldz

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    good point ... Mosley is unfortunately taking the back seat to some good fighters.

    He'll never exceed DLH and will never exceed Floyd ... its just a shame that he missed out on his shot at FMJ ...
     
  10. fitzgeraldz

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    I think the lineage in the LHW division goes to Zsolt Erdei, longest reigning champion of the division ... 5 yrs/ 11 defenses/ beat Julio Cesar Gonzalez, who beat Dariusz Michalczewski - who was the linear champion of the light heavyweight division, reigned supreme before RJJ and had beat Virgil Hill to unify the divison ...