Living Legend Marquez VS The Great Diego at 135

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by IvyLeague, Sep 15, 2010.


  1. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Thats interesting Divac, id actually think Casa would be just as difficult as JMM in many aspects.... but obviously they have their differences. But both give Chico the chances he needs to make the fights interesting.

    Ya man if you get around to it ill enjoy reading your post :good, you def make some good points on your other one, i just slightly disagree here or there.

    You should join the league and put your skills to the test :D :bbb i liked your breakdown, even if i disagree with it slightly (actually, i think your breakdown was near perfect, its just that i happen to think the fighters themselves in this fight will play as much a part as the actual styles in this case)

    but again, i might be really (obviously i am considering the majority here thinks JMM schools him) shorting JMM in this.
     
  2. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    I dont have to do that, I can tell you right here from my perspective, Marquez from the 4th round on was in control of that Diaz fight.

    .......Marquez from how I saw it was'nt gettting bullied.
    He was right where he wanted to be considering he was tasting Diaz' power and felt comfortable he could stand his ground and disect Diaz that way.

    When Pacquiao pressured Marquez, you did'nt see Marquez plant his feet and go to war with him the way he did Diaz, now did you????

    Its about knowing whats in front of you.....and in Diaz, Marquez knew that Diaz did'nt have it to overpower him.

    Its a style issue Addie, you know that.:hey
     
  3. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Man, if I broke it down now I would'nt have it down thorough like I like to have my posts.......
    Its 2am where I live, time to leave it alone for today, as much as I'd like to keep going.

    ......but I'll definitely chime in on this thread tommorow and break it down from my point of view.

    Got to hand you some props Kirk, I like it that you're willing and really do listen even when you dont agree......and very few of us here are willing to admit that there are points we did'nt consider, yet you admit to such freely.

    My props on that my friend!:thumbsup
     
  4. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I dont see what Casamayor orJuan DIaz has to do with Corrales, both are totally different fighters than Corrales. Marquez is a smart fighter and he knows he will have to be cautious and fight a disciplined fight with Diego. Marquez is the type of fighter who will take chances and gamble if he feels he can get away with it see Diaz,Casamayor . But against a guy carrying heavy artillery like Corrales he will fight more like the Marquez at JL and featherweight and thats not good for Diego.
     
  5. dhenzrae

    dhenzrae A Proud Noypi Full Member

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    **** it! are we talking about a prime 135 Corrales and current 135 version of JMM here? if so, then i give chico a good chance of winning. JMM became more hittable at this weight and lost some speed. if Juan Diaz gave him some problems, chico will be a harder fight imo.
     
  6. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    I don't think Juan Manuel Marquez was at all comfortable during the first few rounds of his fight with Juan Diaz. His opponent was dictating the action and the pace of the fight, leaving Marquez no choice but to engage in a firefight. As I say, when I saw Marquez's eyes rolling and his face distorting on the end of the left hook in round 2, which had Marquez stumbling to the ropes, I wasn't under the impression the Mexican was happy with proceedings. I could be wrong.

    Diego Corrales was quite a physically imposing specimen at Lightweight. Significantly taller than the likes of Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez, he could conceivably enjoy some success of his own on the outside. Relatively fast hands and enough power to hurt and stop the likes of Jose Luis Castillo, I could certainly see Marquez winning the majority of the rounds by countering an engaging Corrales. I could also see at some point Diego landing some shots, hurting Marquez, and thus a fight breaking out. Every time Pacquiao had Marquez hurt during their two fights, a scuffle ensued and more shots were landing on Marquez's dome.

    Even if Marquez didn't vouch to stand toe to toe with Corrales, he utilizes very little head movement and so was still hittable from a distance. Diego's long right hands could be getting closer and closer as the rounds gradually pass, and both fighters are starting to become more flat footed. As I say, I'm favoring Marquez to win a hard fought decision, but I don't think he'd dominate the fight. He's hittable, and Corrales had enough hand speed to land, and enough power to be effective.
     
  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    By Divac's own admission, the Marquez at Lightweight is slower and less mobile than the one who campaigned at weights south of 135lbs. I'm not convinced Marquez made conscious decisions to stand in there with Juan Diaz, I think he was forced into that situation and battled back the only way he knows how, to throw hard, accurate combination's of his own.

    Corrales is not a bull type fighter, so you're on point, but what happens once Marquez starts getting touched? He could get over confident as he did against Marco Antonio Barrera and Manny Pacquiao, and walk into a shot. Marco knocked him down after being dominated the entire round, and Pacquiao scored his 10-8 round in the rematch after Marquez was clearly getting the best of the action. Is Marquez a terribly disciplined and patient fighter these days? :think I think I agree with Rock, we'd just have to see.

    We have to wonder how well Marquez would take Diego's shots. I mean, Marco knocked him down with a right hand and Divac has since claimed that Marco only really has his left. It's something to think about.
     
  8. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    There's no other way, Dhenzrae.

    We can't take a prime 130lbs Juan Manuel Marquez up 5 pounds, you take which version that actually campaigned at Lightweight.
     
  9. dhenzrae

    dhenzrae A Proud Noypi Full Member

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    yeah, i just realized that. like Boxed Ear said, 135 is not JMM's best weight, so i think Chico has a good chance of beating Marquez, or even stopping him.
     
  10. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    This fight would be better at 130.
     
  11. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I actually think JMM is very vulnerable at 135 compared to FW and SFW, and if I had to bet the house on it I would go with Corrales. I don't consider it a lock by any means, but I think they'll both land and Diego is a much bigger puncher at 135. As an example, I think Chico just walks right thru Juan Diaz at 135, beats him down and gets rid of him in a hurry.

    p4p - JMM
     
  12. Marcelo

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    JMM KO Chico!!! Chico's easy to find, he hooks most of his shots, he goes toe to toe. Perfect for Jmm's counter punch and uppercuts.
     
  13. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I dunno why everyone wants to pretend Chico had no defense at all. He was good at catching shots and excellent at rolling shots off, he was a world class elite fighter who annihilated anything but the utmost top-tier Mayweather status elite opposition. He would take one to give one, which makes sense given his power, but he could be as cagey as you please when he had to be. He blocked Freitas' shots all night long, until he finally caught up to him.
     
  14. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thats a perfect example of styles make fights. Even though i think Marquez whups Corrales, I think Corrales would have a much easier time with Diaz than Marquez did.

    THose 3 would be like ALi,Fraizer,Foreman where one gets whupped by one guy and destroys the one that fough his conquer on almost even terms.
     
  15. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This will be an exciting fight.

    By the mid rounds, I see JMM dissecting Diego methodically and breaking him down until around 9th round.

    JMM has better skills, better stamina and better chin.