Livingstone "Hurricane Donna"/"Coconut Head" Bramble

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    A generation before Emanuel Augustus became a television mainstay (although their careers did overlap for a nine year period), there was another entertaining but frustratingly underachieving world-class super-journeyman marching to his own drumbeat from lightweight to welter, and who both thrilled with his in-ring performances and left fans equal parts tickled pink and baffled with his combination of playful charisma and esoteric leanings...and refusal to consistently take seriously the sport in which he was so talented. Unlike his Chicagoan predecessor Mr. Augustus/Burton, the St. Kitts native at least managed to capture a world title belt and squeezed in a couple of defenses over a period of 2+ years.

    Whereas the unluckier Augustus/Burton had dancing without music as his signature (though hardly lone) antic, the no less colorful Bramble had a penchant for wild haircuts, silly hats, and wearing snakes as scarves. Both also managed incredible longevity given the number of top shelf fighters they faced, with Augustus clocking 16½ years and Bramble just a few months shy of a whopping 23 years in the pros. To put that in perspective, a person born when Bramble made his pro debut would generally be considered too old to make a pro turn of their own at the age of 23, when he faded into Bolivian (never officially retiring and hinting at comebacks numerous times over the 1st decade of the millennium).

    Both stayed overlong, with Augustus sputtering across the finish line on a 5 loss streak (two of them stoppages, belying his lifelong reputation for having an iron chin) while Bramble went 0-6 versus a motley crew he would've used to wipe his ass in effortless tuneups even a few years past his prime in the early/mid-90's. Bramble last tasted success before the Y2K "bug" proved to be a non-issue, and was still taking lumps for cash a few months into the nascent Iraq War. :verysad

    Ever proud of his cultural heritage (the lesser Antilles of the West Indies, and the broader Caribbean region) and religions (he was both a Rastafarian and self-avowed voodoo witch doctor), he embraced the mystique the American boxing community bestowed on him and was a character more typical of what you'd find in professional wrestling than pro boxing. The difference is, regardless of whether any of his persona was a put-on, it certainly wasn't scripted and he was in full artistic control of his own brand. (longtime manager & trainer Lou Duva, whose brother Dan promoted Bramble, went on record saying he found attempting to influence him, let alone direct him, a useless task)

    With under four years in the game a young Bramble toppled Ray Mancini to end his WBA reign, and effectively cordon off Boom-Boom's short prime with a bloody tourniquet. Mancini would never again be victorious in the ring - and while many blame his dissolution in large part on the mental effect of his 1982 defense over Deuk-Koo Kim, which proved fatal to his opponent, the fact of the matter is that Mancini continued to fight & beat top challengers between Kim & Bramble. While the Kim tragedy very well may have been a burden he continued to shoulder and hampered Mancini's effectiveness (and certainly his aggressive instincts) he was still a capable, active champion when Bramble first met him, and ruined him.

    That and the Mancini rematch eight months later serve as the pinnacle of Bramble's long career, and he was dethroned himself in fairly short order not much later by Chapo Rosario, but for an entire decade thereafter Bramble consistently took on a steady cadre of top dogs (though not without soft touches sprinkled in). In that span he never again defeated a big name - due to a mixture of hard luck and just plain flagging motivation, not quite giving enough of himself in training camp, etc - but came very close a few times and was never an easy night for anybody even as the years piled on.



    In lieu of any live televised boxing this Friday night, let us commemorate a true original in the squared circle.



    Bramble vs. Mancini I:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0eXwB6mdeQ

    Bramble vs. Mancini II:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vxJjgR1HAs

    Bramble vs. Crawley:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uuZ1CS3LW0

    Bramble vs. Pendleton I:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyUoTncN2Vc

    Bramble vs. Carr:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTHbiqTOZFQ

    Bramble vs. Mayweather:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kue1NLSjv2k

    Bramble vs. Tszyu:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g35-1wOSks8

    Bramble vs. McGirt:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrDrXaWHMHc
     
  2. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As you said, Bramble sort of fell apart after Rosario cracked the coconut and he degenerated into a bit of an oddity. Its too bad, because Bramble could fight his ass of in his prime (though even during his second win over Mancini he showed a tendency to coast that would coast him fights in his post title career).

    I don't have time to rematch the Carr fight, but if my memory serves me, Bramble pretty clearly outpointed him on my scorecard.
     
  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    My sister hated him for KOing Mancini, I barely remember it when it happened but I've seen it back since, she was completely torn and bummed out when Arguello and Mancini fought they were and still are two of her 2 of he all time favorites, and the fact that Arguello was the first guy to stop Mancini was extra devastating.

    If Mancini was fighting today he'd probably have no KO losses the Bramble and Arguello KO's came in the 14th round. Who knows, maybe he wouldn't have even fought Haugen.
     
  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yeah, those knockouts were not matters of deficiency in chin.
     
  5. travolt

    travolt Trolling the trolls Full Member

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    Mancini was a very muscle-bound guy, hence the stamina problems.
     
  6. salsanchezfan

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    Which is why he came on late to win the last couple rounds of the rematch with Bramble I suppose, or stop Kim late. :roll:
     
  7. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nice remembrance of Bramble IB, and well-deserved.

    I think it's interesting that so many remember him (as you allude to here) as a sort of journeyman/gatekeeper type for so long, and he was. There was a time, round about late 1985 and early '86 when he was ranked number three on KO Magazine's Pound for Pound list, behind only Hagler and Donald Curry. Having beaten the then-hot lightweight division's best brawler in Mancini and subsequently its best pure boxer in Crawley in impressive fashion, it seemed there was nothing he couldn't do.

    Then of course Rosario proceeded to dribble him like a basketball, but the man deserves his 15 minutes anyway........
     
  8. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    :good

    Even after Chapo burst his bubble he remained a very respectable journeyman for an insanely long time.
     
  9. mrdoctor

    mrdoctor GGG Full Member

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    how about those snakes
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Livingstone Bramble > Jake the wrestler. :deal
     
  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Then again, put Bramble in between Roberts & some prim-o crack rock and shit might get real.. :err:
     
  12. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I watched him beat Mancini on network TV.

    Later, I enjoyed the man on EPSN and USA.
     
  13. emanuel_augustus

    emanuel_augustus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Other good Bramble fights to watch are vs. Freddie Pendleton, Mike Johnson, Oba Carr, and Tony Martin.
     
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  14. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The Bramble-Harold Brazier fight was a shocker at the time, too.

    Brazier entered the ring like he was slumming. Like he couldn't believe he was fighting on ESPN after fighting in a couple title bouts.

    Bramble just wiped him out.

    When Bramble fought Mancini, it was like Mancini was the All-American good guy and Bramble was the villain. But the longer Bramble stuck around, the more you realized he was a really good guy.
     
  15. FrankinDallas

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    Mancini threw a ridiculous number of punches in the second Bramble fight and could reasonably have won a decision based on activity. Scores were very close..143-142 twice and 144-143. I believe it was the last 15rd title fight shown on national, free tv. Both guys embraced after the fight which was amazing to me and a fine show of sportsmanship.