Lloyd Honeyghan is way too underrated!

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  1. brownpimp88

    brownpimp88 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Honestly this guy is so underrated its not even funny. I always hear names like de la hoya, trinidad, whitaker and donald curry be mentioned when discussing top 20 atg welterweights, yet he never gets mentioned. At welterweight he beat top 3 p4per donald curry, gianfranco rosi, jorge vaca, johnny bumphus, gene hatcher, maurice blocker. He also has wins over legitmate contenders like brazier, stafford, shufford, twinning, and kil chung.

    In my honest opinion, its not even a comparison. At welterweight his wins resume crushes that of de la hoya, whitaker and tito. They all picked on smaller fighter or old guys, while honeyghan beat 6 world champs at this wieght class. His only losses are to other world champs, nothing to be ashamed of at all.
     
  2. zippy

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    I wasn't aware Ralph Twinning was a contender. Besides the very thing you try to nail DLH for Honeyghan is also guilty of. Bumphus and Hatcher were used up junior-welterweights. The only top flight fighter he ever beat was Curry. He was a good fighter, but youre making him out to be more than he was.
     
  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Depends how much emphasis you put on the Curry win really. Curry was top 3 p4p but how bad did DOn look that night? You think Tito and DLH wouldn't destroy that Curry? You think Pea wouldn't make an absolute fool out of him?

    Take away the Curry win and you have him beating some decent fighters, but no one outstanding.

    I'd say Lloyd is a Simon Brown level fighter - just a half notch below the Titos, DLHs and Peas of the welterweight division.
     
  4. brownpimp88

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    im sorry but i mentioned 3 lineal weltwerweight champs and a future 154 champ. Please tell me how many welterweight champs de la hoya beat during his tenure as a welterweight. Old ass chavez, blown up gatti, old ass camacho, corley, rivera, carpentier, kamau?
     
  5. brownpimp88

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    yeah but just compare thier welterweight resumes really. Pea and dlh didnt beat as many chasmps at that weight. I'm sure honeyghan could have been champ longer if he fought the same bums that tito did from 95-98.

    Blocker and vaca may not be ATGs, but they were better than most of the welterweights that those other 3 beat. Same thing with gianfranco rosi.

    Hey curry may not have been at his best, but hey im sure honeyghan would have beaten blown up chavez and all the bums tito kept fighting.
     
  6. zippy

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    You forgot Quartey, and most agree he did enough to beat Tito. Bottom line is, you put ANY of those guys Honeyghan fought against DLH and they don't see the final bell. None of them. The two fighters aren't comparable at all. Brazier was also a 140 pounder and Chung and Shufford and Stafford were very borderline, as was Vaca. Doesn't leave much on your list.
     
  7. brownpimp88

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    O please, donald curry would have a great shot at beating oscar, he would probably be the favourite. You keep downgrading his wins, please at least he didnt pick on old washed up hasbeens.:lol:
     
  8. zippy

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    Any good welterweight would have beaten the Donald Cury that showed up that night. He was weight drained.

    Have you seen any of these guys to any extent? Or did you just get his record off boxrec?
     
  9. brownpimp88

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    yeah im sure the 36 year old chavez and the 80 year old camacho would have beat him too right? Oscar's welterweight resume is far more overrated. Wilfredo rivera arguably beat cokhead whitaker, hurtado was schooling him priro to the stoppage, yet de la hoya couldnt do **** but hit thin air and arguably lost that fight. De la hoya also arguably lost to a quartey that hadnt fought in a year and a half.:lol:
     
  10. zippy

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    No; those two weren't good welterweights. I said GOOD welteweights. Seiously, go watch some of these fighters on this great resume of Honeyghan's and get back to me.

    And you should know enough than to compare the unprepared unmotivated version of Whitaker we saw against Hurtado and Rivera with the one we saw amped up and well-trained fighter we saw against DLH. You know all this (I hope).
     
  11. brownpimp88

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    He was fully prepared in the rematch against rivera, only won by like 1 or 2 points and yeah ive seen that fight on espn. Quit making lame ass excuses, he couldnt dominate an old whitaker like he was supposed too.
     
  12. sweet_scientist

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    If you accept that Honeyghan was fighting a diminished Curry then i don't see how you can really make the claim that Lloyd has a better resume.

    I mean, I would take Chavez and McGirt over that Curry in a heartbeat.

    I would take Quartey and the Whitaker that faced DLH over that Curry in a heartbeat.

    I would take DLH over that Curry in a heartbeat.

    I don't think Whitaker (a relatively prime one), DLH or Tito would ever lose to someone like Vaca. They also wouldn't get thoroughly owned the way way Lloyd was by Marlon Starling.
     
  13. brownpimp88

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    whats ur point really, it pisses me off when you do this.

    Please tell me what the **** did chavez ever do at this weight? Please inform me. He did nothing at welterweight. Curry was sturggling to make weight long before the lloyd, fight yet he kept winning. If it was such a washed up curry, why was the enitre boxing world shocked. There is always an excuse when a big upset happens.

    Mcgirt, chavez, green hurtado is a better resume than rosi, vaca, blocker, bumphus, hatcher, and donald curry. This is what you are honestly telling me.

    Hurtado wasnt even ranked by ring when whitaker fought him, niether was jake rodriguez.
     
  14. sweet_scientist

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    Depends how you look at it. One man could look and see DLH losing to Whitaker, Quartey and Trinidad. Another man can look and see DLH beating all three of them and losing a close fight with Shane Mosley. That would utterly **** on anything Lloyd has done at the weight, and it's arguably true.

    I have DLH losing by a point to Pea, drawing with Quartey, beating Tito by 4 points and losing to Shane by 2. To me that puts him ahead of Lloyd Honeyghan.

    Against that quartet I'm not sure Lloyd wins a single fight.
     
  15. brownpimp88

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    no, i go by official resume, not how i would judge fights. Hell i can make a case de la hoya is 40-3, which would make him top 15 p4p.