Honeyghan was strong and had plenty of power, but when faced by someone who wasn't taken in by the intimidation factor, could be beaten fairly easily....as Marlon Starling demonstrated. Some people would say that Honeyghan was past his best in that fight....but don't forget that Starling was coming off of that devastating after the bell KO loss too. Honeyghan would get smoked by the likes of Oscar, Quartey, or Trinidad....they were mentally strong individuals with plenty of talent.
Found what i was looking for from a credible source Curry had to lose 11 pounds in 10 days before the Honeyghan bout. This is of course his own tough luck but is certainly worth the mention. Don Curry - That day against Honeyghan, i said "I'm Curry, i'm the best fighter in the world, i can go in 70% and still win." Hey, i thought i was Donald Curry The Great.
In and of itself 11 pounds in 10 days doesn't sound that bad. That said, I suppose it depends on how boiled down you were to begin with before you had to shed those 11 pounds. There's no doubting Curry looked less impressive against Lloyd than he had in previous fights though.
yeah but most welterweights are around 165-170ish when they normally walk around. Eddie mustafa muhammad had to cut 26 pounds to fight spinks and yet he put up a very good fight in the first 6-8 rounds. I dont belive in all these weight excuses, making weight is the name of the game.
Surely you would admit there are fights where weight draining affected the fighter though. It's a fighter's duty to be in shape and make weight and all, but all the same sometimes it takes the fight out of the fighter. For instance, I don't excuse Duran for being out of shape and weight cutting dramatically for the second Leonard fight, but I also don't deny that Duran was not as good as he had been in the first Leonard fight. I can't see how that is deniable. It's a fact.
I can agree it affects some people, but like i said before the curry weight issues started even before the mcrory fight. It was around 1984 that he began struggling.
And you don't think Curry looked any worse in the Honeyghan fight than he had in those previous fights though? There's no question for mine that he was in a more diminished state.
Curry had struggled in his previous fight also (regardless of being short) to both make the weight AND perform impressively. He looked a bit scratchy. At the time of the Honeyghan fight he was in a big managerial tug of war too. I will not go on too much as i don't want to be seen as someone making multitudes of excuses for Curry. For me there are three facts in the matter 1. Curry was well below par for various reasons. 2. Honeyghan was a far better fighter than anyone realised. 3. Curry's problems were of course his own fault/doing thru at least two bad decisions he chose.
yeah true. honeyghan was decent. he ultimately did lose the 2 big ones against starling and breland though. quartey was arguably better than starling and certainly would have beaten breland. might watch me honeyghan tape over the next few days. got all of his title fights and some before he won the title.
hat was roughly what Duran had to lose for the leonard rematch excpet he did it in 3, leading to no mas. One other factor you left out John: Curry's comp was mediocre until he stepped in with Lloyd. Lloyd was the first man to test his chin. McCallum was the second.
What a surprise Leonard somehow come into the equation :yikes If you put Starling, Jones and McCrory all down as mediocre then i have no real need to give a serious answer.
Honeyghan was a good fighter. Stylewise he could have given Ike and DLH hell. However, due to styles he'd have been destroyed by Tito.