I agree, if Vaca could have lasted another 2 rounds then Honeyghan would have been in trouble. Lloyd was never the same fighter after those two blow outs against Hatcher and Bumphus IMHO, it went to his head.
I remember that fight. Lloyd had him on the ropes for what seemed like an eternity, and I was wondering how long he was going to be able to keep it up, but then he landed that shot to ther solar plexus. It was one of those storms that was not going to be weathered.
yeah lloyd paid vaca in the rematch. :yep just went for him in that 3rd rd and chopped him down. thought he was a bit unlucky to drop the decision in the 1st fight actually. scored it a draw with the extra point for the cut under those stupid wbc rules. :roll:
That was one of the best interviews I have seen for a long time. Lloyd really knows his stuff and pin pointed where the fight was won and lost. I remember him saying on Sky a few days before the fight that Team Hatton did not practice defence. There is a difference between educated pressure like Lloyd gave Curry and Hatton's in your face aggression. Hatton making excuses about Joe Cortez etc is pretty lame. His perfomance against Lazcano shows me that he is ready to be taken again.
Educated pressure on Curry?Curry was half dead when he met Honeyghan.Christ all you have to do is look how drawn Curry's face is. You know Honeyghan was offered $350,000 dollars to meet Curry at Jr.Middle but DECLINED.Wonder why.
Honeygun would have been a stylistic nightmare for Curry at ANY weight. Curry was a treamendous judger of distance and his punch repetoire was the equal of any fighter i've seen in history- however he had a questionable defence and needed time and space to counter effectively. I've heard people say he was a gr8 infighter - he wasn't. He was a tremendous middle distance fighter, a decent long range fighter and a fair close range fighter. Honey fought the perfect fight against a weakened champion. Curry-Honey at light middle would be a 12 rounder but I'm fairly confident Honey would out hustle the cobra again. In historic terms Curry sits well above Honeygun for me though both in ability and achievement.
Watch Curry-Starling 2 and tell me Curry can't fight on the inside.That latter became his problem-he neglected his skills and started fighting too much on the inside.He was Known for having a great defence as well which he did have in his prime. Curry at jr middle while not at his best would have stopped Honeyghan.There's a reason why Honeyghan declined that fight. Honeyghan to me was a pretty good fighter but far from special.He beat 2 shot jr.welters-Bumphus/Hatcher and a pretty good boxer in Blocker.Honeyghan was exposed pretty much when Starling took him to school and gave him a brutal beating. I personally think Colin Jones hit too hard for Honeyghan and Laing would be too quick and explosive for Honeyghan.Aside from Jones Laing dominated most fighters on the domestic scence.
Rubbish Honeyghan never ducked a Curry rematch and he was offered and got double that amount to face Marlon Starling. Honeyghan never ducked anyone that is the thing about his career look at the amount of champions and tough fighters he faced.
I don't know or care whether Hatcher and Bumphus were shot when Honeyghan executed them but I do know that prior to their fight with Honeyghan no-one had done anything like that to either of them.
Jones would have caved his face in horribly. Not a better fighter per se, but a terrible stylistic matchup for Honeyghan, who was sloppy as hell and liked to trade too much.
Honeyghan was better than Jones far more skilled with more dimensions both on the inside and outside. People forget that he was a very skilled boxer as well as proficient inside fighter with bags of stamina. Very strong at Welterweight.
Jones would have crushed Honeyghan.Honeyghan was too sloppy and Jones only needs Honeyghan to make one mistake and then it would be over. Name me one bout in which Honeyghan BOXED with discipline the ENTIRE 12 rounds?
I know neither fight went 12 rounds but both the Mittee and Shufford fights were very disciplined perfomances IIRC.
Maurice Blocker for starters who was world class and became a very good world champion. Jones never won a world title and was found wanting at 3 attempts