A very talented fighter with a dentable chin. I dunno about the rest, but i see flashes of a lot of ATG's in his style. The way he snaps that left hook reminds me a lot of Jones, and his general movement and jabbing is sort of tunney esque. His right hand up top doesn't seem to be incredible, but he crosses it up nicely when the opportunity presents himself. I think it's tough to deny his speed and power. pretty good head slips and shoulderblocking as well as counterpunching, to the head and body. Flawed, certainly hittable, and probably outboxable or swarmable given losses to Chase, Moore, Booker, Bivins. How do you think he matches up to: Tunney Loughran Spinks Jones Jr. Foster Langford Conn [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-PtbswvJbs[/ame] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56fBd7nfmUY[/ame] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXDitbm6CRA[/ame]
He would have been a terror at 168 pounds which was his true weight. In his time he found it difficult to make the middleweight limit consistently and the light heavyweight division was a step too far for him to establish himself as a true all-time great in the division. I'm not sure if I'd outright favour him over any of the light heavyweight all-time greats but surely he would give them a difficult time, even upsetting some in a series of fights. As he showed by outclassing Mills, he probably should have held the light heavyweight title had he been given a shot at it. Here's how he beat old heavyweight Tommy Farr: http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=34811
It's hard to say, he looks amazing on film, incredible athlete but his aggressive somewhat reckless style leaves openings. I think that's why he has a patchy record, he dominates or gets caught himself. He's also pretty small for the division........anyway: Tunney - Tunney's low hands give openings for the fast hands of . But his size, speed, jab and right hand of Tunney should really control the distance and pay dividends, Tunney probably wins, in a series Marshall wins one Loughran - technical 1 handed boxer against the improvising athletic puncher. I fancy Marshall to pull this 1 off, he has more tools, is quicker and his speed/power combination may see him hurt Loughran Spinks - Spinks is probably too big and catches him with something while controlling the action from distance. I much prefer Marshall and think he's a live body but would favour Spinks who I'm not really a fan of Jones Jr - Jones, he's better at everything pretty much Foster - interesting 1, Marshall the more natural fluid fighter, Foster technically better but has a few errors like crouching too much, more 1 handed of a fighter too Conn - he's also a small LHW. Conn is probably the better pure boxer, Marshall the better athlete and better puncher, which makes for an interesting fight. I'd go with Marshall in a close call Langford - impossible to say with the available footage. Could go either way, Langford is bigger stronger at 175 though so he has the advantage Probably would have been fairer to drop Marshall in the SMW or MW divisions where he would be more at home
Keep in mind that the Marshall of the Mills fight was 33 years old, had been largely inactive since the second Charles fight and was considered to be on the downside of his career. Until the age of 30, he had not been KO'd except by Bivins, a much bigger man, in the 13th round when Marshall tired. Perhaps with slowing reflexes and a style that did not allow for a physical decline, it became increasingly easier to KO him. Even then only big punchers were able to finish the job.
Franklin would wreck him. Marshall was an ace fighter. Yes, he could be hurt, but he was a ferocious puncher himself. The clash he mixed in, I wouldn't out it past him to get a win out of a 3-fight series with a lot of 175lbers.
Langford would muller him IMO. The chin to absorb his blows and the power to starch him, and with his hands low you can probably make a lazy comparison between Marshall and Jeanette if you need footage of Langford against a 'similar' opponent to justify making a pick.
Good stuff. I see the power+ chin of Tunney being the decider mostly. I think Marshall could potentially give him lots of issues with his angles and headmovement, but at his best i reckon he'd just overpower him in the clinches and with body hooks. I also think he could outspeed Loughran with faster hands, feet. Spinks i think would catch him with a big booming right at some point and seriously hurt him. Big man, big power, and good boxing skill. Knockout, in my opinion. Jones Jr. I see as a fight being difficult for Jones in the sense that it's a mirror image in a lot of ways. I just see Jones having trouble ad******g to someone as fast as he is initially as well. I'm gonna give it to Marshall. He was in more chessmatches at this speed, better jab.This one is primarily a matter of experience with a certain opponent for me. You cannot rule out Jones' combinations though, which i think are better. Either man can knock the other out with something they don't see. It's more or less 50/50, depending on how you think this would be fought. I think Foster lacks the dimension to win this one. Too predictable, too slow. I think he'd eat a lot of counters. His power is a concern, i just dont see him taking advantage. Hard to say. I think i'm gonna give it to marshall. This fight was initially proposed, funny thing. Didn't go through on account of Conn's manager. Based on common opponents hard to say, Yarosz being one. I'll chalk this one up to Marshall's unorthodoxy. Langford would like you say muscle him around and then lower a terrible punch. He'd eat some leather to get there but eventually he'd feint Marshall onto something and it's good night.
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Lloyd Marshall Is the PROOF fighter... Proof just how great TOP Contenders and fighters back in the day were, not statisfied in their own weights but continuosly fighting UP a division, such were the demands! and IF good enough to get 'sanctioned' to do so, you were looking at the payday because YOU KNEW NO TITLE fights were coming!!!
Great thread ! Tunney- Tunney by UD Loughran- this is close to call Spinks - close fight, spinks close decision Jones Jr. - RJJ by TKO Foster - good fight, Foster by TKO late... Langford - Langford by TKO Conn - Conn by UD
I wouldn't outright favor him over any of the true elite at light heavyweight, but on any given night he could pull an upset, especially if his opponent wasn't a major puncher. A fight with Jones would actually be very interesting to watch.
I think he'd fare a lot better against the greats at Middleweight than Lt. Heavy, although as TheGreatA said, the 168 lb. division would've been ideal for him.
