Locche vs Mancini

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  1. ecto55

    ecto55 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Interesting about their local scoring system...I'd heard a reference to it previously on ESB but no more than that. :star:

    Another factor which might be relevant when you see a lot of draws is something that used to happen is Oz in the 60's and 70's. In Oz's situation it was due to a strictly bifurcated promotional system that made the best match-up's impossible and many cards to feature stablemates fighting each other often. Any stepping outside lines would see permanent blackballing by the promoters.

    Sometimes that situation caused welter and middle stablemates or middle and Hvy stablemates to be matched with each other repeatedly...in that situation the heavier fighter didn't go 'flat stick' and draws often occurred....which was sensible.

    One of the lesser trainer / manager / promoters who was previously largely 'shut out' in Sydney kept doing that through into the 90's even once the bifurcated promotional system had passed - it just means that a boxer's record needs a little reading 'between the lines' to make sense of it.

    I wonder whether Argentina had a similar situation - like Oz then it was very isolated, difficult to bring in imports, and I wonder whether a local culture of just getting a bout in / rounds in for the pay developed...and a 'no losers' draw culture developed. Or as GC says, the scoring system might create it. Food for thought....wish I could read spanish.
     
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  2. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    15 rounds would be a long time for Locche to be in the ring with a young strong fighter like Ray. He'd make Ray look really bad at times but I suspect Mancini would go to the body to slow him up.
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    Well, the scoring system in Argentina and Brazil, did actually mean you needed to win by a margin of four points to win. It's why Monzon and Jofre have multiple draws on their records.

    Although I had no idea about the Oz thing, thanks for letting me know man.
     
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  4. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He done 15 rounds with better guys than Mancini.
     
  5. JohnThomas1

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    Locche was stopped once very late career by an emerging ATG. He thrived on distance fights and usually won them by some margin. I'd take him by decision.
     
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  6. red cobra

    red cobra Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Locche was only stopped via a cut eyelid, in the very last stage of his career...by Cervantes, who he clowned and decisioned previously....Ray Mancini doesn't even come close to landing anything important on Locche, nevermind anything sustained. Boom Boom get's comprehensively out boxed and loses widely on points vs one of the top 3 defensive masters of all time.
     
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  7. red cobra

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    Very succinct and true. A Ray Mancini would come nowhere near beating El Untoccable.
     
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  8. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mancini gets very underrated. Gave Arguello a great fight.
    Gave Bramble all he could handle.
    Beat Ramerez silly who went on to become champion.
    Thought he beat Camacho on his comeback.
    Point is the guy could fight.
    I think he beats Lochee because he never stops throwing and targets the body alot more then most.
    Sure Lochee is the grester fighter but styles makes fights.
     
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  9. red cobra

    red cobra Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mancini would fare only marginally better than did Fuji...missing most of your punches in a fight demoralizes you.
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    Well Bramble was actually a 4-1 underdog in that so you'd hope Ray gave him all he could handle.

    The scoring was somewhat suspect that night too.
     
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  11. JohnThomas1

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    I'd certainly favor him Red.

    Just on the cut - i don't believe the cut stopped the fight. Locche did not come back out between rounds. He had the cut from the early rounds.

    Agree he'd hit the wall by the time he lost to Cervantes in the rematch and he hit it pretty quickly. This can happen to fighters that rely a lot on great reflexes etc.
     
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  12. red cobra

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    I gotcha bud...you're right too. Keep in mind though by that time Locche had over 100 fights....he was tired...with a bit of scar tissue.
     
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