Loew: "Kelly Pavlik Would Knock Calzaghe Out"

You think so?

I don't know though.

Kessler is great at moving when he's in trouble. How often did you see Kessler against the ropes even when he was hurt, which he was?

As soon as he gets pushed against the ropes, his mind says MOVE.

I think Pavlik could be more dangerous, but he needs a few more fights, preferably one against a guy with good boxing ability, maybe Sturm, although I feel it would end in a brutal KO.

Then again, I don't know how it feels to get hit by Pavlik, and he's a great finisher, so moving away from the ropes is probably MUCH easier said then done.

Then again, Taylor has been pushed against the ropes many times in his career and against guys that had a fraction of Kelly's power.

So......I don't know.

I give Kessler his props, the guy is a good boxer and has some great combinations. Joe is just that good.

 

Whereas Kessler has a monsterous straight right hand, his left week isn't half of what Pavlik's is. All Calzaghe had to look for was the straight right hand. And while Kessler fought fluidly against Andrade, Beyer and Munidne, he looked very tight in there with Calzaghe.

Sure, everyone has pushed Taylor back to the ropes before, but Pavlik's power is gross. Not to mention we know that he can be hurt and still come back strong.

While Calzaghe was fighting Kessler, Kessler had to try to stay arm's length deep from Joe in order to throw his straight right. This would not apply to Kelly for he is just as good an in-fighter as he is an out-fighter. Not to mention, he wouldnt be winded no matter what kind of pace Calzaghe set (which is one of the major reasons he won the other night as Kessler gassed) and he would never be at a power disadvantage. Personally, I felt that Kessler would win the matchups when they were squared up, but due to his lack of left hook and effective uppercuts, Calzaghe had his way. I don't believe the same thing would hold true with Pavlik, who would also be a little more comfortable and perhaps even stronger (yipes) at 168.

 

True, but you have to factor in that Calzaghe is a very unorthadox southpaw and sometimes it's difficult to get a feeling for the jab against that type of fighter.

So of course Kessler won't look as fluid, and we really don't know how Kelly will perform against Southpaws.

Other than that though, I agree with what you said, however, Kessler did nail Joe with one of the prettiest uppercuts I've seen in a long time in the 5th round I think.

 

That's what Bronco McKart though too!!

 

By the time Bronco fought Kelly he was not anywhere near the level of the guys we are talking about in this thread. However, he was, and is, still good enough to give most "B" level guys a very long night. I was excited about the prospect of McKart winning the NABF title from Pavlik and getting back in the mix enough to make a couple more good pay days before he retires. I got quite a surprise, and instanly became a Pavlik fan.

It was THE WAY Pavlik destroyed him that I thought was impressive. McKart, being a southpaw, was holding his left real high to keep from eating the straight right over the top. Kelly's corner told Kelly to watch how high Bronco was holding the left, and go to the body under Bronco's left elbow, and BANG; Bronco got Pavlikated!! A cagey southpaw and veteran of over 50 fights made one ****ing mistake, and the FIGHT WAS OVER!

Against Taylor the fight was nip and tuck. Kelly had been hurt bad in round 2. Regardless of how it happened, he was HURT BAD. Taylor had not really been hurt. Not even the ass whippin' Pav handed out in round 3 seemed to slow Taylor down. As I recall I scored round 4 even, and round 5 for JT. AND THEN in round 7 Kelly scored a perfect 1-2 mid ring, and behind the strength of that 1-2 combination promptly closed the show. These are the kind of irrefutable historical facts that make me believe that right now nobody at 160 or 168 can make the distance against "The Ghost." Some might box his ears off for several rounds, but they ain't going 12 rounds with Kelly. There is no such thng as fighting a perfect fight. All fighters make mistakes, and Kelly only needs one.

Boo

 

This is boxing, so anything can really happen. But I can't see Calzaghe losing to Pavlik.

The judging in the Taylor fight was pro-Taylor

 

Pavlik has not faced elite competition! Taylor and Miranda are decent world class fighters but also quite flawed imo. I'd even pick the faded Chris Eubank Joe beat in 1997 to handle them quite easily. I'd say they're on the same level as Jeff Lacy before he met Joe.

 

What is all this jive about the Pavlik fight? How can you bash the guy? I had Kelly up in that fight, he was the more active fighter and was advancing on JT the whole night! Taylor is lucky he made it to the seventh round! The way he was backing up, he was about to be in a ringside seat!

People always find a way to rip on a guy after he wins a fight and make the win less than it is, or the fighter less than he is. But Kelly got knocked down, got up and then knocked his ass out! Thats the sign of a true champ, the one who gets off the canvas, something taylor didnt do.

Kelly vs. Calzaghe would be interesting, but as much as I would want Pavlik to win, I think Joe would get him because Kelly wouldnt fight well having to move up in weight. If calzaghe came down to 160, Pavlik would knock him through the ropes.

 

why does everyone all of a sudden say that pavlik has no chin cause he got dropped by taylor? everyone can get caught, and it seems obvious that pavlik's no chuvalo, but he took mirandas best and kod him, then took taylor;s best and kod him too.

 

Calzaghe takes Pavlik to school. Calzaghe UD is he doesnt stop him in the final 10-12 rounds.

 

a joke right?

 

No mate it's reality. I'm a brit and a Calzaghe fan and I know Joe would get the beatdown of his career. Thread over mate:good

 

God I hoe so! These Pavlik ko 1 King Kong threads are getting a mite irksome!

 

The thread should indeed be over, as anyone who is picking Pavlik to KO Calzaghe should not be on a boxing site. It is ****ing laughable to think that Pavlik would savagely beat down Calzaghe, the guy is slow, flat footed and predictable. He hits hard...so does Lacy. Lacy KOd Reid which is a more impressive KO win than anything Pavlik has done and it was done at a higher weight.

Pavlik was being outboxed by Taylor and was almost KOd in 2 rounds by Taylor, to think he would batter Calzaghe who is taller, faster, slicker and has a much better chin than Taylor is simply insanity.

I will **** myself when Pavlik gets KOd, because as good as he is, he might be the most overrated fighter I have ever come across. The number of people saying he would destroy Calzaghe and batter Kessler etc is incredible, and you don't even have the excuse of being blinded by nationalism.

 

you obviously don't observe fighters then?