LOL@ Floyd being a " NIGHT MARE MATCH UP FOR MARG .."

You just gave a description of every fighter's fan base DP. There are always band wagoners for every popular fighter. Their opinion, unless proven with consistency in more topics then one, is really meaningless.

 

That's my point, Margarito will keep doing what he's doing yet what you think Mayweather will do is based on prediction and opinion. You never know how active he can be in this fight nor how many times you'll see Margarito miss.

Sure Margarito is active a lot but he still needs to position his self to be able to throw the punches he intends to do and are extremely predictable for someone in Mayweather's style and experience. It's not like Margarito will go in there and charge straight in landing punches at will, not even close unless Mayweather tires late and I never saw him in any fight showing signs of being tired late, pretty much like Margarito. You think Mayweather will stand flat footed like Cotto did for Margarito to position his self and throw predictable punches?, I really don't think so, Margarito doesn't even have the speed to make a serious discussion out of his aggression. Mayweather will punch his way out of it and bring the fight back into the ring over and over.

Even if Mayweather goes to the ropes, I don't see the major problem except for the body shots. If Cotto was able to look like Mayweather when he went on the ropes early as he made Margarito easily miss then I'd hate to see how Mayweather will look in there on the ropes countering and getting out of the corner. In the end of the day I see Mayweather landing way more than Margarito and that's what the judges will be scoring, punches landed which will easily favor Mayweather here based on speed, accuracy and his movement will be the reason Margarito's activity won't be shining in this one.

 

That is very true, Lance. But these are the people that hypes boxers up to expectation levels that are unfair on the fighter, only to bash them without end when they don't live up to it(which is near impossible).

Otherwise we totally agree - for once, Lance(gonna carve this day into stone):good

 

I base my prediction on what I've seen them do RECENTLY. Not 6-7 years ago and 15-20 pounds lighter vs. SMALLER guys.

It's NOT opinion that Mayweather's punch output has dropped a lot. It's NOT opinion to say he doesn't move the way he used to. And it's NOT opinion to say he has bad hands, especially at a weight where he might need more OOMPH in his punches.

Margarito DOES run and get right there in their faces though. Since when is he OUT of position? Look, I know Mayweather has good foot speed, but fast feet are only good for RUNNING. HE uses movement, not speed. And as slow or untalented as you might think Margarito is, you do NOT need to be Carl Lewis to move in front of a guy in a boxing ring.

And Cotto HAD to be flat footed at time. He did so to PLANT his feet and get the most out of his punches. You don't think Mayweather will try that at all? If he's landing these winmpy shot, while Margarito lands the harder, who do you think wiklkl get the round in today's boxing? It's no secrret aggressor's get more from judges then guys trying to pot shot or take their time.

And who cares if they are predictable punches scar. Honestly, I don't know why you even said that. Does that mean Mayeather will know what's coming every time? Well, even so, you can't block or dodge every punch from a contrant stream WHILE still trying to maintain your own offense.

Except foer the body shot? Dude, this is Margaruito, it's all body punches, hooks, and uppercuts. Those aren't the best or easiest to defend with his shoulder roll. Which mkes me think He'll try to use his feet more.

I hate to say this since I respect you, but you are posting like the DLH fans who still think it's 1996 and think DLH will do what he used to do a decade ago. We can only go by what they've done recently.

If Hatton and Castillo were able to get Floyd uncomfortable, I don't see shy someone bigger and better then them wouldn't be able to do the same.

Floyd's best and only bet, is that Margarito throws only like, 400-500 punches. Margarito has learned from his mistakes. He's shown he's not going to allow that to happen again.

 

Floyd has fought his shares of styles imiliar to AM's style. AM has not come close to facing as guy like floyd. AM is not a heavy puncher, but he can punch with bith hands which does make him a threat. People like to pick the best AM against the Floyd who fought Castillo. You have to take them both at their best, and then compare.

When a fighter is as defensive as floyd, guys punch output go down, because they start to think that they can't hit the target. Floyd's problem is size against AM, and AM has a chin and decent defense. Floyd is not a head hunter. Floyd attacks the body, moves and makes you move, he has a blazing hook, and a good overhand right. But Floyd has speed, and in every last one of Floyd's biggest fights dating back to the Genaro Hernandez fight, floyd has always stepped up his game.

Floyd doesn't have to run from AM. Floyd always gets in front of his opponent after they get off with a punch or two, and he stands and goes toe to toe like he did in the castillo rematch, and hulifies anything thrown at him. He did it against Hatton, Dlh, Baldy, Chico, Castilo, Hernandez, Chavez. Trust me AM if they ever fight will see Floyd right in front of him. Am's problem is that his jab was decent against Cotto where it will not gain him any advantage against Floyd. AM's uppercut won't penetrate the shoulder roll, and nor will his body punches break Floyd down because they won't land.

 

Yeah, I do hate the overzealous NEW fans to the sport. I[m sure we've been on the same page before, probably even in disagreement. But mark the calendar just in case.

 

I'm taking how they've looked RECENTLY. Using they best they looked is incorrect, since Floyd looked his best years ago at while campaigning at lighter weights. He doesn't fight the same, nor was it against guys with Margarito's size.

This is true. That was also a different Floyd. A Floyd who's a LOT less active in terms of fights, and in terms of punch output.

If he goes toe to toe with Margarito, he leaves like Cotto. So no, I won't trust you since I don't think Mayweather would even employ such a tactic. Mayweather doesn't hit hard enough to keep Margarito honest.

 

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Even if Floyd would win he DAMN SURE is not a nightmare for Margo! There's no chance he knocks out Margo. He has as much chance of knocking out margo as David haye does of cleaning out of the heavyweight division!
Honestly, I'll go with you Floyd lovers, and I'd say he'd win the match. I'm not saying that because he would in everybodies eyes, but I'm saying he'd win because the JUDGES WOULD GIVE IT TO HIM!
Know what you'd see? Margo chasing Floyd around the ring throwing punches, landing plenty enough for victory, and Floyd SPRINTING around the ring throwing popshots. Floyd damn sure won't throw as many, he won't land as many, he won't be the more aggressive fighter, he won't land the more power shots. The only punchstat he'll win is punches landed percentage.
He will not deserve the victory, but he'll win a close UD. It'll look much like the Cotto fight cept it'll go all 12 rounds, Floyd won't land nearly as hard as Cotto, and Floyd will run twice as much. Unless Margo traps him, and cuts him off then the fight will be a BOREFEST!
So, I don't care if Mayweather comes back or not honestly. I doubt he does because he doesn't want to risk losing his 0, and he seriously is taking a chance when getting in with margo.

 

He won't have to go toe to toe. All he will have to do is use defense, hit Am, and not get hit back. You have a decent point about Floyd's punch output, but he is more precise now than ever too. His punch output won't be the same because you can't go in throwing blazing hook after blazing hook against naturally bigger men.

Floyd loses an advantage when he climbs higher in weight. That is the thrill of seeing Floyd fight bigger men. Of course he loses something whether it's his punch output or, speed or whatever you want to pick tht he lost. He will sit down more and use defense more against AM, and he does not have to run from AM. Floyd moved away from Baldy because Baldy had like a 25 lb advantage by fight time. AM can not employ the same strategy he did when he fought Cotto. Clottey stayed right in front of AM and rendered his offense ineffective.

AM does not have enough to beat Floyd. He does have something Floyd has not dealt with since Augustus, Judah, and Corley, and that is a fighter who has the ability to punch with BOTH hands. Dlh, Hatton, Chico, Castillo all specialized in the left hook, but had no right hand to keep Floyd honest. AM does have that threat, but he lacks speed, precision punching and imo power to hurt or wear down Floyd.

 

Not all those fighters share the same style Margarito does so your prediction here could be wrong. Mayweather's ability to adapt during fights is another thing left ignored here.

Do we know if he will be able to keep them up against someone in Margarito's style?, the answer is no and we might never know so judging what happened in recent fights doesn't automatically mean he will do the same in this one. People said he was slower at Welterweight, then the Baldomir fight comes and he showed 140lb speed in 147. Don't get me wrong, what you say is very true but it could be different against someone like Margarito.

He does need some ring cutting skills to be able to move in affectively and that's something he already proved is poor as he applies it fight after fight. Never said he's out of position, just said he needs to position his legs to be able to throw the many punches he will be planning to throw and land and Mayweather will easily spot that punch and move of the way as he's cornered.

The man who lands more is the one who will get the round even in today's boxing.

He can counter him and move out of the way and when he counters I believe he will land and land A LOT considering Margarito's defense. As far as his punches are predictable, hell yes they're predictable, VERY predictable too. He usually throws in a few obvious jabs to set up other punches and that's what he does A LOT when he has a man cornered. The punches he throws after that are slow enough for Mayweather to see them coming and avoid them.

That's what I'm predicting, using his feet more and not giving Margarito a good enough chance to throw and land all of his body punches.

Yes we do but all I'm saying is that DLH was a dangerous enough fighter and wasn't someone to look past especially for a new Jr. Middleweight going up.

That's because Castillo and Hatton fight nothing like Margarito.

Even if he does not all of those punches will land. He will be forced to look inactive at times in my opinion based on Mayweather's movement and defense.

 

:good i agree...dont get me wrong, i like margs a lot but PBF would simply outpoint him. Thas about it though.

 

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I wasn't basing it on them. I always base my prediction on the fighters, but I use what I see to back it. It's easy to just say, "Mayweather will adapt." ****, anyone can just post that. But I do not ignore it anyway. If he can adapt, he hasn't shown a need to adapt to anything tough in years. And losing early rounds doesn't mean he adapted. Seriously, what's a legiot example of Mayweather adapting his game to work with anothers. That is almost becoming as cliche as just saying "Styles makes fights" which so many just say.

I won't say he can adapt to Margarito's size, strength and pressure. But if you thinik he can just adapt to any style regardless of physical attributes, then who has he done that against? ****, I can just say Margarito will adapt to Mayweather too.

The weight and size of a guy will change any gameplan, even if you've done it before. That would be like saying the things he did at 130 he can just do @ 147 too.

No, your right, it doesn't. But I am glad you acknowledge it's isn't an automatic. His speed is what it is at 147. It's great. He'll always be oneof the fastest 2 guys in terms of handspeed in any division he fights. But for someone moving up in weight and not bringing up his punch, it's just fast hands. They still won't have the effect on Margarito as he did against guys his size. And since he probably wouldn't put it all into his punches, his speed is merely superficial. Unless he accepts his punches won't hurt him, and he knows he can't put his all into them, he WILL have to try and potshot to win. Get off quick flurries and to move. Get into position and repeat. I just don't think that will work. When a boxer knows he can't be hurt, that's a HUGE advantage no matter what. And especially when he's busier and heavier a hitter.

See, that's the thing. He's almost always in position. When are his legs ever out? WHen he's moving to catch the guy after he's ran across the ring to breath? If mayweather is too far out of his reach and his own, he can't exactly do anything either. This is a taller guy and if Mayweather expects to land enough hard blows, he WILL be in Margarito's range.

Margarito stays in your face the whole night. He may not have the best foot speed, but he's still always there. Like I said, the ring is only so big. You don't need the fastest feet to get up close if you are ready to take a barrage you can handle to get there. But again, that all depends on how willing Mayweather is to let hios hand go.

First off, we both know that isn't a hard rule. Second, Mayweather throwing and landing more, considering his recent history AND CURRENT INACTIVITY tell us he's at a much lower pace then Margarito. And thinking he'll up it at this point against Margarito is unlikely. As great as Mayweather is, he fights how he fights. He's not a volume puncher never was.

He'll move alright, but he won't have the openings you think. He'll be too busy moving to get some room. More then he's neeed to in a long while. Mayweather is human. Great stamina or not, if you aren't using it regularly, it's not just gonna always be there. Age and inactivity WILL take their toll. We aren't machine who perform the same every fight. And it's not as easy to counter against a volume puncher as it is a textbook boxer who picks his punches.

Dude...even if Mayweather sees them, he's not gonna void all of them. When you are as close to one another as they will be, HOW will Mayweather avoid most of the body punches and hooks? He's gonna shoulder roll them? Even when he's dipping and diving to avoid, Margarito WILL keep the punches going. Even if they are predictable, MANY would land due to how close they'd be. He'll have to backpeddle alot. You saw how much Cotto had to do it. He needed to run across the ring to get some pace. But for Mayweather to keep doing so, keep himself from doing enough offensively to win.

Mayweather needs to land more and keep Margarito from hurting him. He doesn't throw enough as recent history whos, and he WILL hurt getting hit on the shoulders, the arms, the body. Everywhere. And really, Margarito is not as slow as you guys think. He's closer to average then slow.

Well, I too think he'd use his ferat more. But not in a positive way, or won that would let him win. Point blank, Mayweather needs to be closer to win, then trying from a distance. If Mayweather does what you say, he loses due to not engaging enough.

Sure. But this doesn't matter to Mayweather vs. Margarito

No, but they are pressure fighter who gave Mayweather trouble, a tough fight, or fits at time. Except then don't have Margarito's size or VOLUME. Even if no one sees Margarito as greater then those two, he's a more difficult challenge due to the physical attributes he brings. He's not 5'8" 135, he's a tall WW who'd in all due respect, give Mayweather his toughest fight today.

Again, there's no reason to think he'll stop punching like you've said. It's like you have this idea margarito will be befuddled into stopping his punching or drasticaly slowing it down. If heavier hitters aren't slowing him down, you really think defense from a much smaller guy will persuade him to not throw as much? For reasons I explained earlier in this post (ring size, soeed...) That's a stetch my friend.:bart